You wrote-: "I claim that the #4 Accumulator is still seeking its in-line condition while the #2 Accumulator has already become in-line. And because it's seeking its in-line condition, #4 is still Active after #2 has been spent as long as the Pivot train is still operating."
What is your definition of the in-line condition of PA#4? At what point in the swing does PA#4 reach its in-line condition, and where in the TGM book does Homer define that in-line condition?
You also wrote-: "Extensor Action should be used to prevent the Left Arm from Releasing too early."
Where in the TGM book does Homer state that extensor action should be used to prevent an early release of PA#4.
Here is a perfect example of a swinger's action - using PAs 4:2:3 in the optimum sequence. There is no right forerarm action or extensor action in his swing, and he has no problem with releasing PA#4 too early.
Jeff.
Last edited by Jeff : 05-15-2009 at 11:23 AM.
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You write-: "I claim that the #4 Accumulator is still seeking its in-line condition while the #2 Accumulator has already become in-line. And because it's seeking its in-line condition, #4 is still Active after #2 has been spent as long as the Pivot train is still operating."
What is your definition of the in-line condition of PA#4? At what point in the swing does PA#4 reach its in-line condition, and where in the TGM book does Homer define that in-line condition?
Jeff.
Good Question. The Left Arm is in-line technically, according to HK, as it becomes in-line with the Shoulders. If it's not in the 7th edition, then it's in the First Edition of the Book, a short obscure statement, but I don't have any of the editions of the book in front of me at my office. Homer never said that the Right Arm prevents the Left Arm from ever getting In-line, but that simple fact doesn't negate that as long as the Pivot is pulling the Left Arm that it still complies as body power.
Sometimes you'll see golfers let go of the club with their right hand after impact or unbend or flip with their right hand in an attempt to prevent the right arm from restricting Left Arm Acceleration after both arms straight.
6-B-4-0. THE FOURTH POWER ACCUMULATOR The angle formed by the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder forms the Fourth Power Accumu¬lator. It is not only an independent Power Accumulator, but its Triggering function as the Checkrein of the Right Elbow Power is also vastly important and it thus can be the Accumulator of the Accumulators or Master Accumulator.
As Accumulator #4 its function is to actuate the Primary Lever Assembly when using the Pull Basic Stroke, which requires a non-participating Right Arm. It is "supported by" rather than "operated through" its Pressure Point-#4. Which is any point along the Left Side contacted by the straight Left Arm.
It qualifies as #4 Accumulator only when the Shoulders are Turning and the Left Arm seeks its "in-Line" position with the Shoulders. Otherwise it actually substitutes for the Pivot to introduce the circular motion required to produce Centrifugal Force.
This is from the 7th Edition
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6-B-4-0. THE FOURTH POWER ACCUMULATOR The angle formed by the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder forms the Fourth Power Accumulator. The In-line condition it seeks is with the Shoulders. It is not only an independent Power Accumulator, but its Triggering function as the Checkrein of the Right Elbow is also vastly important; it thus, can be the Accumulator of the Accumulators - or Master Accumulator. (Also see 2-M-4.)
As Accumulator #4, it is Pivot (Body) Power supplying the initial acceleration of the Downstroke to throw the Lever Assemblies toward Impact by the Thrust of the Shoulder Turn. (See 7-13.) Another major contribution to Impact Power is geometric - it is the first link in the Swing Radius power train between the Club and the Feet.
"Left Arm Power" in any form or amount can still be considered #4 Accumulator Action. Otherwise, it actually substitutes for the Pivot to introduce the circular motion required to produce Centrifugal Force.
How do you interpret the statement "in line with the shoulders"?
In a previous thread on PA#4, a number of forum members defined that in-line condition as being met when there is a 90 degree angle between the chest wall and the left arm at the left shoulder area.
I have a serious problem with the idea that the pivot is still driving the left arm during the left hip clearing action - when the pivot drive direction is left and inside. I can only perceive a pivot drive being useful from a swing power perspective when the left arm/left hand/club is being driven down-and-out-and-forwards towards the ball.
You also wrote-: "Sometimes you'll see golfers let go of the club with their right hand after impact or unbend or flip with their right hand in an attempt to prevent the right arm from restricting Left Arm Acceleration after both arms straight."
I think that a swinger may allow the right hand to leave the club, or straighten, post-impact because they have run-out-of-right arm. In the standard followthrough (using a horizontal hinging action), the left hand is moving inside and left very fast immediately post-impact. If the right shoulder has not moved sufficiently far/fast downplane in the late downswing, it may be extremely difficult for the golfer to keep the right wrist bent (and the right palm firmly attached to the grip) all the way to the end of the followthrough (when drag loading) - especially when the club is moving very fast through impact (eg. Driver swings of Phil Mickelson, VJ Singh and Fred Couples).
Where in the TGM book does Homer state that extensor action should be used to prevent an early release of PA#4.
12-3-0 #25
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How do you interpret the statement "in line with the shoulders"?
By the book. 6-B-4-0 #2 (Picture)
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I can only perceive a pivot drive being useful from a swing power perspective when the left arm/left hand/club is being driven down-and-out-and-forwards towards the ball.
If that’s what you believe, then at least you have lots of company with the rest of the golfing world.
Yes Jeff. Rhythm. It only looks simply stated. Look it up.
No Jeff. 90 degrees to the Shoulders. Are your shoulders parallel to the plane-line at impact?
You've seen the video? Why don't you see the Pivot swinging his arms - while still at full extension - until the clubshaft is parallel to the ground after follow through. Could the Power of his Pivot (Pivot Power) be continuing to lead and move the shoulders. Body Power? = #4 Accumulator as long as the Left Arm is against the chest.
Are you even reading the Book or are you so arrogant to believe that you capture the concepts, fully understand their meaning so comprehensibly that you are able to apply them by only reading them?
You know what they call someone who's just graduated medical school? ......They call him "Doctor". Give me a break. You know as well as I, that reading "it", understanding "it", and being able to apply "it" are very different types of knowledge.
I cannot locate 10-3-O #25. I note that 12-3-O #25 simply states "extensor action - rhythm".
The 6-B-4-O photo looks like the club is at low point, or just beyond low point.
I am very familiar with the Hogan video.
Jeff.
No sir that is when the angle between the left arm and shoulder is at 90 degrees and thus fully released. Generally at both arms straight "follow through."
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