This guy don't bob much and he chooses a very different address position to the pros above...much less stiff/upright...head down..foveas looking good etc
No attempt (or at least unsuccessful) to get right forearm on the same plane at impact as address...but right forearm very much on plane at impact.
Some of my thoughts / interpretations put up for bashing around...
Bobbers ...have a sense of right forearm on plane and get their pivots to do whatever they have to do to get it there....as they all start off from an adjusted address which has not had the benefit of a "impact fix" education...they bob...
Mac (my take on his stuff - I know you dabbled in his dark arts too - so see if we agree ) has an adjusted address which has been educated by the impact fix concept... his adjusted address sets head height and neck flexion and spine angle but he does not worry too much about wedges at adjusted address because he sets them early in a manner similar to Joe Dante and Joe Norwood....hmm were Norwood and Dante ever seen in the same room at the same time...
Are there two options for people that use an adjusted address which is not impact address??
Address shaft alignment = impact shaft angle but body dips to get the off plane address right forearm on plane for impact and...
Address shaft alignment lower than impact shaft alignment but the body alignments are same for adj.address and impact...right foream comes on plane for impact as right shoulder lowers and shaft leans forward.
Bash away...
There ain't nothing wrong with setting your Right Forearm On-Plane at Address. Particularly useful with Hitting . . . but I think Mr. Kelley would be less dogmatic about it with Swinging. Now the question to answer is WHY do most cats on tour NOT set their forearm On-Plane? Probably because the don't know anything about the alignment . . .and the may think it looks "different". But that being said most of the great ball strikers DO have the Right Forearm on-plane with the shaft at Impact? Why? I would submit that its because even though they may or may not have a centered pivot . . . they get the Right Shoulder location deal . . . PLUS I think Physics plays a role . . . these guys are swinging the club at speeds that physics are going to produce some of the alignments that we like to see because . . . . well . .. that's the way it works. The forces are so great that they just line everything up when the motion is efficient. I'm mean look at Furyk . . . he's got some MAJOR whacky stuff going on but when he gets down there where the bidness is to be done within certain constraints he's not a whole lot different than some of the other more "conventional" looking swings. Again it comes down to the 3 Functions and controlling the face . . . Furyk is GREAT at that. So for the club to work like it should on plane through the ball . . . the plane is gonna produce some of the alignments because that's how laws of nature make it work.
There ain't nothing wrong with setting your Right Forearm On-Plane at Address. Particularly useful with Hitting . . . but I think Mr. Kelley would be less dogmatic about it with Swinging. Now the question to answer is WHY do most cats on tour NOT set their forearm On-Plane? Probably because the don't know anything about the alignment . . .and the may think it looks "different". But that being said most of the great ball strikers DO have the Right Forearm on-plane with the shaft at Impact? Why? I would submit that its because even though they may or may not have a centered pivot . . . they get the Right Shoulder location deal . . . PLUS I think Physics plays a role . . . these guys are swinging the club at speeds that physics are going to produce some of the alignments that we like to see because . . . . well . .. that's the way it works. The forces are so great that they just line everything up when the motion is efficient. I'm mean look at Furyk . . . he's got some MAJOR whacky stuff going on but when he gets down there where the bidness is to be done within certain constraints he's not a whole lot different than some of the other more "conventional" looking swings. Again it comes down to the 3 Functions and controlling the face . . . Furyk is GREAT at that. So for the club to work like it should on plane through the ball . . . the plane is gonna produce some of the alignments because that's how laws of nature make it work.
Thanks Bucket, more GREAT stuff!
Kevin
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Agreed - I like the bit about it being more important in Hitters... I think that the book at times forces the samenesses between hit and swing and doesn't go far enough to describe some of the differences...where things are less absolute in practice...there was talk of 2 books - no?? one for hit and one for swing??
I think that physics has to play a big role in the way that pros have learnt/require right forearm on plane - for anyone who has evolved through a competitive sport and tries to apply force with the right arm...they are gonna learn that the forearm works better on plane...why they haven't learnt about impact fix...not sure...unless there may be a power benefit in the massive dip/compression that their pivots do...which in the context of guys who practise daily...pays off more than ease of precision...who knows...
Agreed - I like the bit about it being more important in Hitters... I think that the book at times forces the samenesses between hit and swing and doesn't go far enough to describe some of the differences...where things are less absolute in practice...there was talk of 2 books - no?? one for hit and one for swing??
I think that physics has to play a big role in the way that pros have learnt/require right forearm on plane - for anyone who has evolved through a competitive sport and tries to apply force with the right arm...they are gonna learn that the forearm works better on plane...why they haven't learnt about impact fix...not sure...unless there may be a power benefit in the massive dip/compression that their pivots do...which in the context of guys who practise daily...pays off more than ease of precision...who knows...
Hey Bulldog,
I've been a club pro for 30 years, and until taking up with TGM in the last couple of years, I didn't even know we were ALLOWED to USE the right arm in the golf swing, let alone set the right forearm on plane!
Kevin
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What if it isnt just a Sameness deal? Im thinking Swingers benefit from the on plane right forearm too. Luke posted something on this today. If it was just dead weight Swingers could just use one arm, their left.
Bucket, I like your lever extension stuff but does it have to dispense with the Machine Concepts? Is there an advantage to the Bob?
Bulldog, I like your notes about the implications to the Pivot Center for those who dont preview impact in Fix.
Daryl, I'd suggest there is a reason Eldrick bobs and it has to do with how far he has to drop his right shoulder to get his Right Forearm on plane with a bent right elbow at Impact. Axis tilt alone isnt going to do it given where he starts. Im seeing on plane right forearms in baseball, tennis, hockey, its just a structural fact or law. I bet none of those guys know anything about it, but they do it.
What if it isnt just a Sameness deal? Im thinking Swingers benefit from the on plane right forearm too. Luke posted something on this today. If it was just dead weight Swingers could just use one arm, their left.
Of course Swingers benefit from an On-plane right forearm. It's a must unless you play 4 hours a day and practice the rest of them.
Swingers need both arms too. Accumulators. Left Hand, Right Hand, Left Arm, Right Arm. Pressure Points, Power Package, etc.
I don't question that Tiger lowers his head. He drops his entire body. But he isn't human. When a bad round means that you finished in the Top 10 in the World, I back off wondering what he does wrong and try to focus on what he does right.
) has an adjusted address which has been educated by the impact fix concept... his adjusted address sets head height and neck flexion and spine angle but he does not worry too much about wedges at adjusted address because he sets them early in a manner similar to Joe Dante and Joe Norwood....hmm were Norwood and Dante ever seen in the same room at the same time...
Hybrid Mode
