Mopping the fairway... I like to just walk down the fairway with both hands on my 8-iron, dragging the leading edge, hands in impact condition, upper wrist palmar flexed and ulnar deviated... (flat/arched and uncocked)
Of course it has to be the 8-iron and the sun has to be on my light carrybag, the bag radiating a bit of warmth...
[quote=Daryl;63282]The secret that people search for but never find is that right arm/elbow bending should never be used inadvertently to raise the club for standard stroke patterns. Once the amount of right elbow bend needed to match your chosen swing plane is determined at impact fix, returning to Adjusted Address will bend your right elbow to within an inch of Release Elbow Bend.
Daryl,
In reference to what is in bold and underlined are you saying that the impact fix degree of bend of the right elbow is not maintained in the adjusted address postion...AND that any bend during start-up is an effort to reestablish the fix degree of RIGHT elbow bend, AND usually not more than an inch is necessary?
I am hopeful that it will not take me twenty years by virtue of the fact that it did you!
The secret that people search for but never find is that right arm/elbow bending should never be used inadvertently to raise the club for standard stroke patterns. Once the amount of right elbow bend needed to match your chosen swing plane is determined at impact fix, returning to Adjusted Address will bend your right elbow to within an inch of Release Elbow Bend.
Daryl,
In reference to what is in bold and underlined are you saying that the impact fix degree of bend of the right elbow is not maintained in the adjusted address postion...AND that any bend during start-up is an effort to reestablish the fix degree of RIGHT elbow bend, AND usually not more than an inch is necessary?
I am hopeful that it will not take me twenty years by virtue of the fact that it did you!
No. I'm saying that elbow bending ceases at the end of the takeaway. During the Backstroke and Downstroke it's fixed, until Release, where it Unbends gradually to Both Arms Straight.
Pardon my density. If I started from fix, as opposed to adjusted what would my right elbow do? I may have botched what you were trying to convey. I thought that the fix amount of elbow bend, much like the right wrist degree of bend, is constant from start-up until release. Of course the right wrist bend is not lost like the right elbow bend. Please set me straight!
Last edited by okie : 10-29-2009 at 02:50 PM.
Reason: Becaue I am a gibbering idiot!
Pardon my density. If I started from fix, as opposed to adjusted what would my right elbow do? I may have botched what you were trying to convey.
At Fix, your Right Elbow is Bent. IMHO, it's bent a fairly good amount. It's bent a little more at Release. So, if you start your Take-away from Fix, then it should Bend more.
Originally Posted by okie
I thought that the fix amount of elbow bend, much like the right wrist degree of bend, is constant from start-up until release. Of course the right wrist bend is not lost like the right elbow bend. Please set me straight!
Set you straight? You're already twenty years ahead of me. Hmm?, Twenty years to figure that out. I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box.
"I think that the fix amount of elbow bend, much like the right wrist degree of bend, is constant from the end of start-up until release. Of course the right wrist bend is not lost like the right elbow bend."
That's why I call it a "rigid Power Package". I'm trying to convey that there is a fixed degree of Elbow Bend during the Backstroke (end of Start-up) and Downstroke. Then, at Release, the Elbow, for a Swinger, is allowed to begin and continue to straighten until both arms are straight.
I can't get confirmation from others, yet in my own swing, it works perfectly by returning the right forearm to the exact Plane it was on at the end of start-up, except now, the Forearm is at Release.
At Fix, your Right Elbow is Bent. IMHO, it's bent a fairly good amount. It's bent a little more at Release. So, if you start your Take-away from Fix, then it should Bend more.
Set you straight? You're already twenty years ahead of me. Hmm?, Twenty years to figure that out. I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box.
"I think that the fix amount of elbow bend, much like the right wrist degree of bend, is constant from the end of start-up until release. Of course the right wrist bend is not lost like the right elbow bend."
That's why I call it a "rigid Power Package". I'm trying to convey that there is a fixed degree of Elbow Bend during the Backstroke (end of Start-up) and Downstroke. Then, at Release, the Elbow, for a Swinger, is allowed to begin and continue to straighten until both arms are straight.
I can't get confirmation from others, yet in my own swing, it works perfectly by returning the right forearm to the exact Plane it was on at the end of start-up, except now, the Forearm is at Release.
Right wrist bend can be "fixed" but elbow bend can not. As a drill let your left arm hang below your shoulder then use your right hand to grab your left wrist. You will notice that your right wrist is bent. Now use your right arm to lift and lower your left arm "back, up, and in" across your chest. You will notice that your right wrist is fixed but your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".
Freezing the elbow is not advised for full motion shots.
Right wrist bend can be "fixed" but elbow bend can not. As a drill let your left arm hang below your shoulder then use your right hand to grab your left wrist. You will notice that your right wrist is bent. Now use your right arm to lift and lower your left arm "back, up, and in" across your chest. You will notice that your right wrist is fixed but your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".
Freezing the elbow is not advised for full motion shots.
Master Jeff,
1. Sorry for the Long Vapid post.
2. Glad to hear from you.
I hear you loud and clear. What you describe is exactly what I see from almost anyone who swings a club.
Unfortunately, this causes seemingly endless incongruities. Hang on, I don't want to complicate things, but this is where the roller coaster ride dumps us into the deep end of the Twilight Zone. Affectionately known as Zone #4.
1. If Bending the Right Elbow lifts the Club to the Top, then why does HK write:
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For Power Package Power, the movement of the Clubhead – via the Lever Assemblies – is assigned to the muscles of the arms, hands and upper torso. Which are –
Biceps – they bend the elbow
Triceps – they straighten the elbow Deltoids – they raise the arms
Pectorals – they pull the shoulders and arms forward
Latissimus Dorsij – they pull the shoulders and arms backard.
2. Extensor Action uses Triceps muscles. Bending the Elbow uses Biceps muscles. I can't push and pull simultaneously. Is it just me?
3. When the Left Arm moves away from the chest, release begins. Doesn't unbending the Right Elbow during the Downstroke force the Left Arm away from the chest?
4. How do you reconcile the fact that Unbending the Right Elbow During the Downstroke, forces the "Point" of the Right Arm Wedge, while tracing the Plane Line, causes the Clubhead to trace a parallel line unless the Unbending Forearm is on the Actual Swing Plane? This took at least a year for me to understand.
5. I've watch Yoda's video demonstrating the Right Forearm being Driven into Release from the Top of the Swing. He fixes the Right Elbow and simply Raises and Lowers his Right Arm with his shoulder Muscles.
I have about a dozen more incongruities just like these but I can't remember them all on short notice.
Such as the Following Quote:
Quote:
. If the Pivot moves the Right Shoulder at the same speed as the Power Package – or Primary Lever Assembly – the Accumulators will not be Released by this action until the Right Elbow can straighten. Even then the Clubhead Lag is still maintained – it has NO Release Point. Establish a “normal” Right Wrist Bend for Release – either frozen at some point, or moving from Maximum to Minimum Bend as the Ball Location is moved away from Low Point and/or the Basic Stroke changes the Elbow location (10-3) – because the Right Wrist Bend, along with Ball Location and Plane Angle determine the precise RIGHT FOREARM ANGLE OF APPROACH (7-3).
So, If the Right Elbow Straightens during the Downstroke, wouldn't the Power Package be moving at a different speed than the Right Shoulder?
Let me leave you with one more. This is one of the most difficult.
If the Right Elbow unbends during the Downstroke, then how does the Right Elbow maintain it's 3 dimensional path, which is required in order for Right Elbow Action to "either powers and/or controls all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact (6-C-0) per 1-L-9." If the Right Elbow moves off plane, it can still power but not control. So what must we do for Right Elbow Action to Power and Control all three elements of Three Dimensional Impact?
Whew, that's a walk down memory lane. Anyway, after struggling with these issues for years, I found that the "Fixed Right Elbow" solves them all.
Right wrist bend can be "fixed" but elbow bend can not. As a drill let your left arm hang below your shoulder then use your right hand to grab your left wrist. You will notice that your right wrist is bent. Now use your right arm to lift and lower your left arm "back, up, and in" across your chest. You will notice that your right wrist is fixed but your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".
Freezing the elbow is not advised for full motion shots.
See what I mean? No Confirmation. 20 years down the drain if I'm wrong.
Quote:
6-K-0 PIVOT STROKE DELIVERY In a “Pivot Stroke” the Power Package is held in a fixed relationship with the Body Turn and no independent Arm motion occurs until – or unless – the requirements of the selected Pivot are met. Then Arm Motion, independently or not, Continues Delivery per 10-19 until the selected Trigger occurs (10-20).
6-K-0 PIVOT STROKE DELIVERY In a “Pivot Stroke” the Power Package is held in a fixed relationship with the Body Turn and no independent Arm motion occurs until – or unless – the requirements of the selected Pivot are met. Then Arm Motion, independently or not, Continues Delivery per 10-19 until the selected Trigger occurs (10-20).
This relates to Delivery only. To unbend the Right Arm would be to Release. Power is Accumulated, Stored, Delivered and then Released. Full power requiring a delayed Release and hence a Delivery of the Stored Power without any premature firing, right Arm Straightening.
I like to just walk down the fairway with both hands on my 8-iron, dragging the leading edge, hands in impact condition, upper wrist palmar flexed and ulnar deviated... (flat/arched and uncocked)
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