This relates to Delivery only. To unbend the Right Arm would be to Release. Power is Accumulated, Stored, Delivered and then Released. Full power requiring a delayed Release and hence a Delivery of the Stored Power without any premature firing, right Arm Straightening.
Power is accumulated, then stored during the Downstroke, then released.
That's what Okie and I are saying. The Right Elbow doesn't unbend until release. During Sections 9-2-5 through 9-2-8, the Right Elbow is Fixed. Fixed Right Elbow (Okie), Rigid Power Package (Daryl) same thing.
I know I'm saying it wrong? It should be called "Power Package" but everyone is so used to thinking that the Right Elbow Bends during the Backstroke Section of the Swing and Straightens during the Downstroke Section of the Swing, I renamed it "Rigid Power Package" to mean a Power Package with a Fixed Elbow.
Okie is the only other person I found who would confirm this. (I feel like sending him a gift) (7,200 members, and it's just me and Okie)
I really hate to say this but I think I just uncovered the Problem. I use a Right Forearm Take-Away. I don't use a shoulder turn take-away like most of you guys. So, for me, the Elbow stops Bending at the end of Start-up and my Arms and Shoulders Rotate together to the Top of the Backstroke. Most of you guys use a shoulder turn take-away. You do a Shoulder Take-away and need to bend your right elbow during the backstroke to allow your left arm to cross your chest at the Top (ala Tiger Woods). So, for you guys, it must sound crazy not to bend your right elbow during the Backstroke. Duh. AND, as it goes up, it comes down.
So, for me, the Elbow stops Bending at the end of Start-up and my Arms and Shoulders Rotate together to the Top of the Backstroke. Most of you guys use a shoulder turn take-away and then bend your right arm to bring your arms to the top AFTER your shoulder stop turning (ala Tiger Woods). So, for you guys, it must sound crazy not to bend your right elbow during the Backstroke. Duh. AND, as it goes up, it comes down.
How do you know what most of us do? Or are you "assume" ing again.
It sounds like you RFT to a point and then rely on your Pivot to Pivot to Hands your way to Top. How do your ensure you arrive at Top on a TSP angle with such a sensory blacked out procedure?
I know Im being an ass here, perhaps Im still mad about that Canadian mini putt crack. That was a low blow, D. Low, very low. Lowest of the low.
How do you know what most of us do? Or are you "assume" ing again.
I listen, read between the lines and watch the swing videos. Then assume.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
It sounds like you RFT to a point and then rely on your Pivot to Pivot to Hands your way to Top. How do your ensure you arrive at Top on a TSP angle with such a sensory blacked out procedure?
Hands move the arms, arms move the shoulders, shoulders move the Hips. Then I guesstimate.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
I know Im being an ass here, perhaps Im still mad about that Canadian mini putt crack. That was a low blow, D. Low, very low. Lowest of the low.
Right wrist bend can be "fixed" but elbow bend can not. As a drill let your left arm hang below your shoulder then use your right hand to grab your left wrist. You will notice that your right wrist is bent. Now use your right arm to lift and lower your left arm "back, up, and in" across your chest. You will notice that your right wrist is fixed but your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".
Freezing the elbow is not advised for full motion shots.
Jeff Hull's explanation of this simple drill ranks as one of the great posts -- defined as one that can help you take your ball striking to the next level NOW -- ever posted on this site. It is the essence of Zone #2 Power.
Your Body (Zone #1 Pivot with its Head Center) must be trained to accommodate this motion, and that is far easier than most imagine. See posts #1 and #4 here: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4435.html. Be sure to click on the drawings for the enlargement and explanation. Here we owe a posthumous debt of gratitude to Bob MacDonald and his magnificent work, Golf, published in 1927.
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Right wrist bend can be "fixed" but elbow bend can not. As a drill let your left arm hang below your shoulder then use your right hand to grab your left wrist. You will notice that your right wrist is bent. Now use your right arm to lift and lower your left arm "back, up, and in" across your chest. You will notice that your right wrist is fixed but your elbow will bend to top then straighten to follow through. This is the "magic of the right forearm".
Freezing the elbow is not advised for full motion shots.
I agree with the above drill as the "Proper" Start-up procedure and along with Extensor Action it controls the exact amount of Right Elbow Bend needed throughout the Backstroke AND the precise amount of Right Shoulder travel and direction. This is not a shoulder turn takeaway. This drill is uniquely TGM. This describes the Right Forearm Takeaway. It's taught to so many, yet so few adopt the method during actual play. But why Unbend the Right Elbow during the Downstroke?
Extensor Action controls the Right Elbow Path and it's subsequent location at Release. It ensures that the selected Elbow Alignment at the Top of the Swing is maintained during the Downstroke for Release and that both the #3 Pressure Point and Clubhead simultaneously trace the Plane Line during the Downstroke.
For a Swinger, the Uncocking Left Wrist straightens the Right Elbow. For a Hitter, Right Triceps Thrust will Uncock the Left Wrist as the Right Elbow Straightens.
If we Straighten the Right Elbow during the Downstroke, how are we ever to have the Right Shoulder Travel the same Speed as the Power Package?
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7-1 GRIPS – BASIC Basic Grip is the term indicating the mere act of holding on to the Club and relates primarily to the proximity of the Hands. They simply are either close enough to overlap or they are not close enough to overlap. So all non-overlapping Grips are Baseball Grips.
The Grips of Hitters and Swingers must differ in tightness. But still per 1-L-3, 6-B-3-0-1, 7-3 and 10-6-B. For the Swinger, Centrifugal Force Uncocks BOTH the Left Wrist and the Right Elbow per 7-19 and 7-20. So both must remain “Passive” but never “Whippy.” For the Hitter, the Right Triceps become “Active” and execute both Uncocking motions with a firmness that approaches the mandatory rigidity of the Right Wrist. With both procedures, the Flying Wedges’ alignments, as always, never waver. Grip types other than the Strong Single Action (10-2-B) either destroy the Wedges or produce inferior deviations. Also study 3-F-6. The prestressed (bent) Clubshaft (10-19-A) and maximum Swing Radius (10-19-C) are resistances to Impact Decelerations that each must establish before – not during – Impact (2-M-1).
So, for a Hitter, the decision as to "When" or "Where" the Right Elbow Uncocks, is made by the Golfer per Stroke Pattern.
Extensor Action controls the Right Elbow Path and it's subsequent location at Release. It ensures that the selected Elbow Alignment at the Top of the Swing is maintained during the Downstroke for Release and that both the #3 Pressure Point and Clubhead simultaneously trace the Plane Line during the Downstroke.
For a Swinger, the Uncocking Left Wrist straightens the Right Elbow. For a Hitter, Right Triceps Thrust will Uncock the Left Wrist as the Right Elbow Straightens.
Hi Daryl,
I think I may have been misunderstanding something in the book. I always thought for the swinger, release of PA #4 is what straightened the right elbow. When I read 7-1, I get a sense that #1 and #2 are releasing at the same time, but not that #2 is releasing #1.
How do you feel about that?
Kevin
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I think I may have been misunderstanding something in the book. I always thought for the swinger, release of PA #4 is what straightened the right elbow. When I read 7-1, I get a sense that #1 and #2 are releasing at the same time, but not that #2 is releasing #1.
How do you feel about that?
Kevin
The Release of #4 occurs as the Shoulder Downstroke turn subsides. Doing so allows the Right Elbow to Straighten.
You've touched upon one of the most difficult to understand yet significant contributions of TGM. Remove your left hand from the club. Maintain a Bent and Level Right Wrist. Swing the Club and notice that CF pulls the right arm straight (even without the club). Add your left hand and notice that the Left Wrist Uncocks as the Right Arm Straightens; simultaneously. The Right Hand overtakes the Left Hand near impact without bending the Primary Lever. This is the Sequenced Release of a Swinger. All from Centrifugal Force.
CF acting on the Clubhead Uncocks the Left Wrist and stiffens the Primary Lever while CF Uncocking the Right Elbow allows the Right Hand to overtake the Left Hand as CF aligns the Primary Lever to the CG of the Clubhead. All of the above needs a passive and bent right elbow throughout the Release and Impact Intervals.
The Release of #4 occurs as the Shoulder Downstroke turn subsides. Doing so allows the Right Elbow to Straighten.
You've touched upon one of the most difficult to understand yet significant contributions of TGM. Remove your left hand from the club. Maintain a Bent and Level Right Wrist. Swing the Club and notice that CF pulls the right arm straight (even without the club). Add your left hand and notice that the Left Wrist Uncocks as the Right Arm Straightens; simultaneously. The Right Hand overtakes the Left Hand near impact without bending the Primary Lever. This is the Sequenced Release of a Swinger. All from Centrifugal Force.
CF acting on the Clubhead Uncocks the Left Wrist and stiffens the Primary Lever while CF Uncocking the Right Elbow allows the Right Hand to overtake the Left Hand as CF aligns the Primary Lever to the CG of the Clubhead. All of the above needs a passive and bent right elbow throughout the Release and Impact Intervals.
Thanks for the great description Daryl!
Kevin
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Hold off on the thanks because according to Jeff and Yoda, my interpretation is wrong. We should await further explanation of the Right Arm participation during the Downstroke Section.
Can I take a shot at it? That way we can all get corrected and look like dufuses or is that dufi?
For the pure CF Swinger type with an Automatic Release; When the Pivot or more specifically the Shoulder's Rate of Acceleration subsides the Left Arm separates from the Chest. The Period of Arm Acceleration. This firing of #4 is accompanied, as it must be, by a passive extension of the Right Arm #1. Given the Magic of the Right Forearm this unbending at the Right Elbow uncocks the Left Wrist, #2. With the Left Hand turned to plane this uncocking is ideally On Plane. Once the #2 Angle approaches a Level Left Wrist condition the #3 Angle fires Sequentially and Automatically. So CF can if you so choose Uncock the Left Wrist. But indirectly and through Right Elbow exetension. The Magic of the Right Forearm.
The Hitter on the other hand Fires his #1 actively rather than passively which uncocks the #2 and Rolls the #3 together, non sequentially as the Left Wrist turns away from the Inclined Plane.
This was harder than I thought it would be. Dont have my book with me right now. Anybody else want to take a shot?
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