Basic Motion

[BerntR]

Great thread,

Yoda descibed my stroke with the hands too low as a "sea of compensation" Feels really weird with the on-plane right forearm at fix. But also extremely solid through the ball. So now I am practicing basic motion in the garden. A little turf, a club and three balls is all that's needed.

Question:

What are the quality criteria as far as ball striking goes in basic motion?

I try to approach this as I would approach the short game. Solid ball contact, trajectory & distance control. With proper stroke execution. Just want to know if I have the right focus here. Maybe I should just pay attention to alignments an disregard the result?

[YodasLuke]

Question:

What are the quality criteria as far as ball striking goes in basic motion?

I try to approach this as I would approach the short game. Solid ball contact, trajectory & distance control. With proper stroke execution. Just want to know if I have the right focus here. Maybe I should just pay attention to alignments an disregard the result?

Start with 3-F-5.

I like the "maybe I should" part...forget the ball.

Is my Left Wrist Flat?
Am I pointing at the Plane Line?
Did I arrive at the Both Arms Straight Position?

[BerntR]

Thanks Ted,

Actually, the "sea of compensation" comment made a big difference to my motivation. A few years ago when I took lessons (sometimes frequently) I became used to hear that I was doing fine. It worked for quick fixes but not for building a proper stroke. And certainly not for self correction while playing. I guess the pros lowered their expectations because I'm a bit like Homer was. I need explicit & precise knowledge.

The thing I am sensing now while working on getting the right forearm on plane is that the lower the forearm is at fix compared to the inclined plane, the longer the right elbow will be below the inclined plane in the down stroke - and the longer I can drive effectively with my right hand. Does that make sense?

There is a substantial risk that I will keep drifting towards the old low hands' fix. But there is also a risk that I overdo the changes if I put my mind into not drifting back.

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallell to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

I hope I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

[KevCarter]

Bernt,

I hope you don't mind my continued interruption, but I feel passionate about this. In my 40+ years of playing golf, NOTHING has had such a profound impact on my ball striking and understanding of alignments than the level left wrist and right forearm on plane has. NOTHING.

Hard work? You bet
Hard habits to break? You bet
Worth the time and energy? Every minute

I found this picture in Yoda's archives. Don't over-think this, just try to mirror this "feel" at first.

Kevin

[YodasLuke]

The thing I am sensing now while working on getting the right forearm on plane is that the lower the forearm is at fix compared to the inclined plane, the longer the right elbow will be below the inclined plane in the down stroke - and the longer I can drive effectively with my right hand. Does that make sense?

When the Right Forearm is placed ON Plane at Fix, it gives you a new Right Shoulder Location. If the Right Shoulder starts too high, as in 99.999999999 percent of golfers, you run out of Right Arm before you get to the ball. Most start with a straight Right Arm at Address and return to Impact with a straight Right Arm. It's really powerful.

There is a substantial risk that I will keep drifting towards the old low hands' fix. But there is also a risk that I overdo the changes if I put my mind into not drifting back.

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallel to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

I hope I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

Hold the Right Forearm and Clubshaft in-line with a Bent Right Wrist on a horizontal Plane. Look at that relationship in the mirror, and then lower the Right Arm and club to the ball.

The best-case scenario is a video camera, a computer with software, and a monitor near the ball. This would eliminate the mirror parallax. In the mirror, the eyes are off Plane, making it difficult to draw conclusions.

[innercityteacher]

Let me see if I have the essential concept. If I hold the club with a right palm grip ala Moe Norman or use a 10 finger baseball grip, wouldn't I be on the elbow plane back and through?
I'm sorry if this is a stupendously dumb question. I start with my TGM instructor in April and have been trying to decipher the book on my own for over a year.

When the Right Forearm is placed ON Plane at Fix, it gives you a new Right Shoulder Location. If the Right Shoulder starts too high, as in 99.999999999 percent of golfers, you run out of Right Arm before you get to the ball. Most start with a straight Right Arm at Address and return to Impact with a straight Right Arm. It's really powerful.



Hold the Right Forearm and Clubshaft in-line with a Bent Right Wrist on a horizontal Plane. Look at that relationship in the mirror, and then lower the Right Arm and club to the ball.

The best-case scenario is a video camera, a computer with software, and a monitor near the ball. This would eliminate the mirror parallax. In the mirror, the eyes are off Plane, making it difficult to draw conclusions.

[KevCarter]

Welcome ICT!

There is an old thread with several meaty posts from YODA. The best tutorial on flying wedges you'll find!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...t=flying+wedge

[innercityteacher]

I am reading/re-reading these posts and the magic of the RF. There is a lot there.

Do you use the "pick-up and chop technique?" That's what AJ teaches, sort-of, in his DVD series and that guy never gave me my money back after I sent his dvd's back. I think I was mistaking my "punch elbow" for this motion when I started! LMAO

I now know the differences and can do them, sometimes, on purpose.

Can you use a horizontal hinge for anything besides draws and running chips? I kept hooking my HH on the range, today, with good power. Do I need to open my stance and play the ball up or something? It is just such a tempting, simple motion to ignore trying it.

Level wrists-horizontal door hinge with forearm fan and elbow, and REVERSE the fan? The ball jumps and HOOKs. Maybe if I shoot the elbow horizontally with no fanning along my belt line parallel to target line, as a downstroke while freezing RFW like crazy!!!???? That could be sweet!



I'm getting a little greedy, Kevin. I know TGM works. I WANT THE DISTANCE!
Today, I casually swung my sand iron to almost 100 yards (normally 80) without any real effort. As I swung, I tried to feel the club head on my index finger. I kept losing it while playing though, it was so cold! I'm hitting it so solidly, there has to be some power around here somewhere!
There has to be some power hiding. Barely moving my putter with my elbow drives my putts like a splinter in a tornado! It has to work on drives, somehow!
Anyway, thanks for the help!

Patrick

Originally Posted by KevCarter

Welcome ICT! There is an old thread with several meaty posts from YODA. The best tutorial on flying wedges you'll find! http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...t=flying+wedge

[innercityteacher]

Should've read tthis one first!!!!!

Welcome ICT!

There is an old thread with several meaty posts from YODA. The best tutorial on flying wedges you'll find!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...t=flying+wedge

[Yoda]

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallell to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

Here is BG's Address Position (not Fix), mirrored for lefties.