Basic Motion

[Daryl]

Why do you assume hinge action OR motion means anything other than compression (chapter 2)?

That's what it boils down to.

Clubface control. I don't care if you use your elbow or your toes to hold the club, if you impact the ball, from impact to separation, there is a hinge action - the type of action determines the efficiency of compression.

Closing only - horizontal
Closing and layback - angled
layback only - vertical

Ed, there is always a Hinge Action for you and I. We sustain the line of Compression.

It has nothing at all to do with the amount of #3, it is all about how the ball and clubface come into contact, compress or leak, and separate.

I agree that the amount of #3 can Vary, but Zero Acc. #3 cannot produce all Hinge Actions, although Hinge Motion can be duplicated.

While it may be best monitored via the left wrist - it is, and always will be, chapter 2.

I've got your back.

The ball only knows what the club tells it.

You da man.............

[GPStyles]

This has resolved me to do a lot of basic motion work during the rest of the winter.

1) Is it more important to work on the 2 feet back, 2 feet through or should there also be a target?

2) Is it advisable to use the Taly when practicing the basic motion?

3) As before, is there any club more preferred to work with?

4) Amazingly the limited practice facilities at my club do include any area big enough to work on basic motion. Is it a case of getting a big pile of balls and working away for 30 minutes or so or is a more structured from more appropraite?

Thanks in advance.

[KevCarter]

This has resolved me to do a lot of basic motion work during the rest of the winter.

1) Is it more important to work on the 2 feet back, 2 feet through or should there also be a target?

2) Is it advisable to use the Taly when practicing the basic motion?

3) As before, is there any club more preferred to work with?

4) Amazingly the limited practice facilities at my club do include any area big enough to work on basic motion. Is it a case of getting a big pile of balls and working away for 30 minutes or so or is a more structured from more appropraite?

Thanks in advance.

In my opinion.

1) Good to have a target. You can do wonders for your short game while working on your impact alignments.

2) I like to start with the Taly to make sure I am using the proper alignments, then recheck as needed.

3) I like to use my sand wedge, but it's your choice. Just make sure it is never so flat a loft that you feel you have to help it in the air to fly onto the target you have chosen.

4) In that case I would do a combination of just working structure on the range, along with going out on the course with 3 or 4 balls as traffic allows.

Kevin

[GPStyles]

Thanks Kev, think my original post got lost in all the traffic.

[KevCarter]

Thanks Kev, think my original post got lost in all the traffic.

No problem my friend, but don't take that as gospel. I would like to hear some of the others ideas as well.

Kevin

[bray]

There's not much more I can add to be more clear. I bolded parts.

Daryl,

Reading it as Homer wrote "your bolding" in post 32 it just further proves my point.

With zero #3 in basic motion one can employ any of the three hinge actions the clubhead will always finish in the same spot at follow through (both arms straight approx. two feet through) because of zero #3, but the face can be laying back (vertical hinge), closed (horizontal hinge), or closed and laying back (angled hinge). These follow throughs reflect the clubfaces motion through impact and seperation. As edz pointed out the essence of Chapter 2.

Now Zero #3 can make the plane steeper which could make a Vertical Hinge easier to achieve than a Horizontal, but still all three can be achieved.

I know this because my machine can produce these shots, and I've taught it and seen it taught by many of the finest Golfing Machine Teachers in the Land!

Sorting Through the Circuit Player's Handbook and Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

[O.B.Left]

Bray I love that avatar of yours. What club house is that in the background? The sweaters nice too....sorry for the "thread" jack...thats for Drew, I know it pretty bad.

[Daryl]

Daryl,

Reading it as Homer wrote "your bolding" in post 32 it just further proves my point.

With zero #3 in basic motion one can employ any of the three hinge actions the clubhead will always finish in the same spot at follow through (both arms straight approx. two feet through) because of zero #3, but the face can be laying back (vertical hinge), closed (horizontal hinge), or closed and laying back (angled hinge). These follow throughs reflect the clubfaces motion through impact and seperation. As edz pointed out the essence of Chapter 2.

Now Zero #3 can make the plane steeper which could make a Vertical Hinge easier to achieve than a Horizontal, but still all three can be achieved.

I know this because my machine can produce these shots, and I've taught it and seen it taught by many of the finest Golfing Machine Teachers in the Land!

Sorting Through the Circuit Player's Handbook and Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

B-Ray,

I appreciate your response. I do understand your point of view that one can simulate the Clubface motions associated with the three basic planes while zero-ing out the #3 Accumulator. I don't doubt that you perform this flawlessly and I've seen it done by others as well. I’m not an instructor but I understand the need to teach Hinging in an understandable way.

I’m struggling with two separate issues with naming this demonstration – “Hinge Action”. I'm not opposed to naming it Hinge Action for teaching purposes but I don't think that it's Hinge Action exactly by the book.

First, we all agree that with Zero #3 Accumulator, “all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm”. Second, we also agree that the Rotating Shoulders impart “Roll” (closing) to the Clubface.

In your demonstration, Basic Motion prohibits shoulder rotation, “Roll” as we know it, and Zero #3 Accumulator allows only Drive Loading and Angled Hinging Travel and Rhythm.

We have the term “Swivel” which is a rotation of the wrists not dependent on shoulder turn. So, we have the warning; "intentional use of zero accumulator #3 can be useful while unintentional use can be hazardous". I could be wrong, but to me it means Unintentional use (zero acc #3) can be hazardous because Hinge Action must be replaced by a "perfectly timed Swivel" if Hinging other than Angled is attempted.

[HungryBear]

This is a very long discussion that I believe to be all wrong!
In fact I think this whole accumulator #3 and basic motion is an error.
I 'Think" basic motion is an "around impact-low point" exercise, a minerature REAL swing.
I use as my examples LB own work.

LB basic motion

Lynn Blake and V.J. Trolio

vj basic motion

LB teaching Basic motion

Please continue the discussion with the above examples and my comment in mind.

I need to get this basic motion stuff into my head correctly

Thanks
The Bear

[O.B.Left]

Hey Bear do you have the book? There is often some confusion because the entire section 12-5 is labelled the "Basic Motion Curriculum" and includes 12-5-1 Stage One . Basic Motion. 12-5-2 Stage Two. Acquired Motion. 12-5-3 Stage Three. Total Motion. You can see the problem there with people referring to the whole curriculum as "Basic Motion". Those videos you listed are for the most part displaying some work in 12-5-2 Stage Two, Acquired Motion.

In 12-5-1 Stage One, Basic Motion , the list is very specific and says amongst other things, " 2 feet back and 2 through" . First with a short iron and then with a putter. It doesnt get any more Basic than that does it. Were talking about about putt here and not a very long one even.

Good luck with it all.
Ob