Get the right shoulder back on the plane line, a little Hula-Hula hip action, and the right shoulder will travel right back down the plane.
Please see 10-13-A which is a combination of 10-13-B and 10-13-D.
There is no right or wrong or "best" way. However, Yoda has made it very clear that 10-13-C is only valid if you are always playing with the wind behind you.
Hope that helps,
Kevin
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Thats a big question and an interesting one too given the variety of options and differences of opinion. Even amongst TGM instructors it would appear. The 6th recommended 10-13-A while in the 7th it was changed, perhaps by later day editors to Rotated 10-13-C, I believe, I dont have the 7th. Despite the fact that Homer suggested that Rotated was normally confined to Shiftless, shorter shots.
To my mind the advantage of Standard Shoulder Turn, 10-13-A, Flat back and On plane going down is that it allows for the shoulders , the right shoulder specifically to take the Hands and club directly down a flatter Turned Shoulder Plane. A flatter plane angle which would more closely approach a shaft plane and therefor require less of plane shift to get back to the shaft plane (or lie angle which we must for clean contact without any toe up or down).
Homer realized we might not be able to get the right shoulder all the way over to the shaft plane and in this regard he recommended we select a higher plane if necessary. See 10-13-D.
So this sort of a shoulder turn, which seems weird at first in that the shoulders travel a different path back and down, has some geometric advantages to my mind. Assuming you sequence your Downswing properly (6-M-1) ground up, the Right Shoulder will be taking the Hands down a more desirable Hand Path. The selection of a higher Inclined Plane that isnt a TSP can see the Right Shoulder take the Hands and club out over the top, above the plane. A predicament some solve by dropping the Hands vertically prior to turning the shoulders.
This Turned Shoulder Plane and proper downswing sequencing together with Axis Tilt, a sliding of the Hips to Tilt the Spine and lower the Right Shoulder is practiced with the "Startdown Waggle" sometimes called " Downstroke Waggle". A really great drill. I do two after a pull shot on the range and the pulls disappear immediately. The cure for "Roundhousing".
Thats what Im thinking anyways. All the best for '10, RONOC. You can hit the search button for those terms if you need to.
Thats a big question and an interesting one too given the variety of options and differences of opinion. Even amongst TGM instructors it would appear. The 6th recommended 10-13-A while in the 7th it was changed, perhaps by later day editors to Rotated 10-13-C, I believe, I dont have the 7th. Despite the fact that Homer suggested that Rotated was normally confined to Shiftless, shorter shots.
To my mind the advantage of Standard Shoulder Turn, 10-13-A, Flat back and On plane going down is that it allows for the shoulders , the right shoulder specifically to take the Hands and club directly down a flatter Turned Shoulder Plane. A flatter plane angle which would more closely approach a shaft plane and therefor require less of plane shift to get back to the shaft plane (or lie angle which we must for clean contact without any toe up or down).
Homer realized we might not be able to get the right shoulder all the way over to the shaft plane and in this regard he recommended we select a higher plane if necessary. See 10-13-D.
So this sort of a shoulder turn, which seems weird at first in that the shoulders travel a different path back and down, has some geometric advantages to my mind. Assuming you sequence your Downswing properly (6-M-1) ground up, the Right Shoulder will be taking the Hands down a more desirable Hand Path. The selection of a higher Inclined Plane that isnt a TSP can see the Right Shoulder take the Hands and club out over the top, above the plane. A predicament some solve by dropping the Hands vertically prior to turning the shoulders.
This Turned Shoulder Plane and proper downswing sequencing together with Axis Tilt, a sliding of the Hips to Tilt the Spine and lower the Right Shoulder is practiced with the " Downstroke Waggle". A really great drill. I do two after a pull shot on the range and the pulls disappear immediately. The cure for "Roundhousing".
Thats what Im thinking anyways. All the best for '10, RONOC. You can hit the search button for those terms if you need to.
Man O.B. Maybe I should just travel to Toronto and take a lesson from you. Very good stuff!
RONOC, sorry I didn't notice you were new here. Welcome! Please copy and paste O.B.'s great post. You might not realize it yet, but there is a WORLD of TGM answers in there that you will need for years to come!
Kevin
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Thanks Kev, I hope I got most of it right. Still some fog there.
I hope RONOC doesnt me telling but he is one of Canada's young bright lights in the world of golf instruction so I was trying to chose my words carefully. Folks meet Conor O'Shea CPGA , coach to some of Canada's emerging stars and one heck of fine golfer himself.
I am working on using 10-14-D, Reverse hip turn, in combination with a 10-13-C shoulder turn.
One thing that someone mentioned to me is that if the right shoulder moves laterally away from the ball for some players this will cause excess head movement, such as myself. In the McDonald drills, drill four, the right shoulder is in line with the center of the stance, not behind it.
I am working on using 10-14-D, Reverse hip turn, in combination with a 10-13-C shoulder turn.
One thing that someone mentioned to me is that if the right shoulder moves laterally away from the ball for some players this will cause excess head movement, such as myself. In the McDonald drills, drill four, the right shoulder is in line with the center of the stance, not behind it.
gmbtempe,
You have come so far in the past couple of months it's amazing. Keep studying and keep up the GREAT work with your swing. I really like the direction you are taking it!
Kevin
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What are your thoughts on the varying opinions between the way the shoulder can turn in the pivot (flatter... ) verse a steeper counter part.
I teach a Pivot that turns the Right Shoulder to the Plane.
Steeper Plane Angles, i.e., those dictated by the shorter clubs and their more upright Lie Angles, require less Turn than those required by the longer clubs and their flatter Lie Angles. In both cases, the Hands -- indeed, the entire Power Package -- receive the support, direction and initial acceleration of the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn (toward the Plane Line and the Ball).
The attached photos -- the first in Start-Down and the second as a drill in the Turned Shoulder Plane -- illustrate the ideal in-line Hands-Right Shoulder alignment to the Plane.
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