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[HungryBear]

Golf is difficult to learn later in life. You can not make something complex simple. TGM is a solid foundation of truth. Bobby Clampett said he wished he hadn't listened to other voices. Stick with TGM. It not the study of it that is difficult. It is the implementation. All of the various combinations and choices make it an entertainment for a lifetime. Instructors reduce the frustration and I am always stunned at my false ideas of what I need to correct. Cameras help but an instructor with a complete knowledge of the swing helps you get thru the complexity.

Oh boy, here we go. When is it time to lay down and pull that divot over yourself? Don’t get me wrong, because I agree more than I disagree. But, I WILL NOT GO GENTLY INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT. As an aside, what is later in life? 25? 35? Or real old like 40?-Please mail me your car keys!
Golf is a FEEL. How U get it is the mystery. Exactly what is the feel of a “satisfactory” golf stroke? When is the appropriate time to seek the assistance of an instructor? How can I take away some "benchmarks" that will keep me from running myself into the ditch? I often wonder if many of those on the tour were not just lucky when they built a foundation and learned to play. I am reminded of the Charles Barkley's of this game.

The Bear

[innercityteacher]

Oh boy, here we go. When is it time to lay down and pull that divot over yourself? Don’t get me wrong, because I agree more than I disagree. But, I WILL NOT GO GENTLY INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT. As an aside, what is later in life? 25? 35? Or real old like 40?-Please mail me your car keys!
Golf is a FEEL. How U get it is the mystery. Exactly what is the feel of a “satisfactory” golf stroke? When is the appropriate time to seek the assistance of an instructor? How can I take away some "benchmarks" that will keep me from running myself into the ditch? I often wonder if many of those on the tour were not just lucky when they built a foundation and learned to play. I am reminded of the Charles Barkley's of this game.

The Bear

http://www.iep.utm.edu/reductio

Bear, your use of reductio is a concern.
Without taking risks to understand mysteries, nothing improves. A "satisfactory" golf stroke has power and precision and is repeatable under the demands of competition or personal use. An instructor is useful whenever a person wants help in learning anything anytime they feel they need help and can reasonably get that help. "Benchmarks" are provided like crazy in TGM. For example, "The Magic of the Right Forearm," offers at least five benchmarks including a way to "start-up," that is "on plane," "repeatable" "can be used by hitters or swingers," and "can be used with Basic Motion, Acquired, and Total Motion," to help any golfer achieve power and precision in their game.
(I'm sure there are 10 other insights I just haven't gotten to, yet.)

I think luck is part of a lot success as is hard work. Is hand-eye coordination talent or luck? Was Moe Norman's Autism talent or luck?

Lots of tour pros in past times had parts of the insights found in TGM. (TGM is not filled with original insights as as much as it is a catalogue of logically connected, effective insights, imho.) They combined them with hard work and made a living on tour for a time. But if any of those pros had a TGM book as we do, and experienced teachers who could communicate those insights, they would've taken full advantage. Look at how hard Hogan and Norman practiced. Which part of their lives were just plain luck without any hard work?

I have met Charles Barkley. He has been kind and generous with his time in supporting many different charities. He worked very hard to be a basketball and TV star. If he ever allowed a TGM-based instructor to work with him and his golf swing, he'd enjoy his game much more.

I hope you are enjoying your golf game these days.

Patrick

[HungryBear]

http://www.iep.utm.edu/reductio

Bear, your use of reductio is a concern.
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I hope you are enjoying your golf game these days.

Patrick

Ain’t that cool?
My interrogatory was not without prologue.
Golf, specially G.O.L.F. is not in want of ILLUSIONS-without regard of source.
As our neighbor Robert Frost said in “Dust of snow” or was it “fire and ice”,
Have A Good Day

The Bear

[BerntR]

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I have met Charles Barkley. If he ever allowed a TGM-based instructor to work with him and his golf swing, he'd enjoy his game much more.

Patrick

If it was a TGM-based instructor who knew how to teach hitting you might be right. His down stroke yips spells "I need to hit" with capital letters.

[chipingguru]

My experience has been that TGm s a slow process, especially educating the hands. I have been a classic throw awayer and focused on my first area of wobble, which was the basic motion. I thought surely i could do the basic motion without throw away but could not. Simply was not doing what I thought or felt. However, after a LOT of closed eyes swings and look, look, look i got it.

Eventually, when you can feel what the hands are doing, big break throughs occur, and a lot of joy. So, IMO sticking with the step by step curriculum is the best method, and identifying the first area of wobble and working like heck on it before moving on.

Doing it based on feel rather than mechanics will waist a lot of time.

[KevCarter]

My experience has been that TGm s a slow process, especially educating the hands. I have been a classic throw awayer and focused on my first area of wobble, which was the basic motion. I thought surely i could do the basic motion without throw away but could not. Simply was not doing what I thought or felt. However, after a LOT of closed eyes swings and look, look, look i got it.

Eventually, when you can feel what the hands are doing, big break throughs occur, and a lot of joy. So, IMO sticking with the step by step curriculum is the best method, and identifying the first area of wobble and working like heck on it before moving on.

Doing it based on feel rather than mechanics will waist a lot of time.

Great post chipingguru. Isn't that the truth!!!

Not only slow, but a life long journey. That's also one of TGM's strong points IMHO. Once you master one concept, there is always another to work on, and the foundation you have built is solid and unwavering... Different "science" principles may come up, different ways to measure the swing and ball flight are improved upon every day, but the way we choose to propel the golf ball does not need to change.

The Golf Stroke Involves mainly, two basic elements – the Geometry of the Circle and the Physics of Rotation. And only two basic Strokes – Hitting and Swinging. The geometry (for “uncompensated” Strokes) is the same for both. For all Clubs and Patterns. But, basically, the Physics of Hitting is Muscular Thrust, and of Swinging, Centrifugal Force. And herein, “Motion” is Geometry – “Action” is Physics. Hitting and Swinging seem equally efficient. The difference is in the players. If strong- Hit. If quick – Swing. If both – do either. Or both.

The Geometry of Golf has two aspects – the facts and the illusions, visual and sensory. When facts are understood, the illusions not only cease to mislead but can be utilized.

The Physics of Golf does not specify special “Golf Laws” – only the simple, universal Laws of Force and Motion that you use every day because you cannot move yourself or anything else except in compliance with them. Physics merely takes the “seems as if” out of things. Including Golf.

HOMER KELLEY

Kevin

[x-man]

for me i advanced lite years ahead by doing slow motion swings. i began with basic to acquired to punch and so on. i realised i was blacking out during impact so id concentrate more on my hands and bingo. i actually still practice at 20-30% as it reinforces some great feelings at the slower pace. when it comes to playing my hands know where to go just like eating with a knife and fork!

educated hands!

[BC85]

Sorry that I have neglected this thread. Since previously posting, I have purchased a high FPS camera for the purposes of recording my golf swing. You can check out my latest video below. Be sure to let me know what you think.

[airair]

My experience has been that TGm s a slow process, especially educating the hands.... However, after a LOT of closed eyes swings and look, look, look i got it.

What were you looking for with your eyes closed?
Just kidding.