"AWESOME experience in South FL" with Dan Malizia

[Taffy]

I agree OB. This is stuff that interests me-practical applications are my speed rather than theoretical.

[Yoda]

In Heaven, Mike Wallace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wallace_(journalist) conducts this interview:

Wallace: Ma'am, we've researched the record and can find no mention in Genesis of 'golf' and its 'ball flight' laws.

The Lord: I invented golf on the 8th day.

Wallace: I see. But, why were there no special instructions for that first twosome?

The Lord: There was no need. Man and woman were in place, as were the Laws that governed the uinverse. It was only necessary that they play and comply.

Wallace: So why has there been so much confusion through the centuries?

The Lord: That's just the Hell of it!

[O.B.Left]

Hah yes the devil was in the old details.

Re Options.

In 7-3 Homer describes Grip Rotation for manipulated Hands Swingers and Hitters (basically all of us). As you take the ball back along the Arc of Approach to your desired placement you Rotate the handle in your hands accordingly so that the face remains square to the Impact Plane Line. Draw shot ensuing but you need to aim your Plane Line to the Right of the Hole .

Different strokes for different folks. Different ball response too Id imagine as there's less loft to the face in the latter procedure. So lower , hotter .

One instructor I know does the procedure I mention above but set up square to the hole and then without moving his stance line rotates his shoulders and arms and club and face as a unit out to the right .

Dan how do you take the fade out of a tee shot played slightly forward of low point, face square to plane line ? It seems like my driver wants to set up like that.

Thanks again
ob

[fladan]

O.B.:

You are right of course. There are many ways to curve the ball; the fact remains that the face and path must be at odds for the ball to curve. The "hot" curve is great on drives and situations when distance is advantageous. Hitting the "open face draw" is advantageous when accuracy and spin are required.

If the ball is forward of low point, and the goal was to take the "fade", the curve, off the ball, you would have to match up path and club face.

You could do any of the following:

Rotate the plane line closed by adjusting the stance - this would counter the "up and in" path of the club past low point.

You could shift the plane during the swing - this would require a huge lateral shift of the hips and, obviously force the right shoulder under the plane on the downswing. This "in to out" would again counter the "up and in". (not my first choice!)

You could rotate the grip to the right to insure a more closed clubface at separation, or

Finally, you could close the face slightly (matching the face and the path) and play an intentional pull.

Having said all that, I would play the ball slightly behind the low point with the driver - better compression and less adjustments.

Mac O'Grady used to tell us the best swing has "the maximum time to make the minimum adjustments"...words to live by.

I hope I got all the adjustments right, it's really hot in Florida!!

[O.B.Left]

You're on fire Dan thanks!!!

[Yoda]

In 7-3 Homer describes Grip Rotation for manipulated Hands Swingers and Hitters (basically all of us). As you take the ball back along the Arc of Approach to your desired placement you Rotate the handle in your hands . . .

O.B. Left, one of the great seekers, thinkers, and writers on LBG, has made an important point. One I fear is lost on most of us (as it was on me until I carefully re-read his post).

He states, "...as you take the BALL [emphasis mine] back along the Arc of Approach...". He did not say the CLUB!

To think that the golfer 'manipulates' the Hands during the Stoke is one of the Great Misconceptions of TGM. (There are many.) O.B.'s post assumes you know this, but long experience tells me you do not.

ALL 'Hand Manipulation' -- Hands to Handle/Clubface -- occurs when the Grip is taken in Fix (7-8; 8-2; 2-J-1) with the BALL in the desired location (Up Plane [back in Stance] or Down Plane [forward] for the Stoke intended. It does not take place dynamically during the Stroke.

Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.

[O.B.Left]

Wud I miss ? Thanks Yoda.

Yes Grip Rotation listed under Hitters in 6-H-0 is also the procedure for manipulated Hands Swingers . Making me think that the Imperatives of 6-H-0 , Swinging, should really be considered those for True Swinging. But I dunno.

Grip Rotation is one reason I prefer round grips personally. Think about it. I suppose you could rotate a ribbed grip or whatever you call em when you glue them on so the rib sits just right when the face is square at the clubs Straight Away Position, but then it'd get rotated clock or anti clock of that for balls played fore or aft of that ball position, no?

Im going to bed you TGM guys talk about some weird stuff.

Ps

Anyone ever considered how the more you move the ball back, the more you rotate your grip , the more your Standard Wrist Action approaches Sing..........ah forget it.

[O.B.Left]

Pre-empting the next question, Hinge Actions -- there are three, each the direct responsibility of the Hands -- are not 'Manipulations'. Instead, they are 10th Component Variations that maintain their respective identities despite any Left Wrist-to-Clubface alterations assumed at Fix.

The Hands are just clamps after all.


Ahh Yoda posts ...... I love em.

[O.B.Left]

Dan where are you in Fla? Im heading that way next March it would seem.

[fladan]

OB:

I am the HP at pine tree golf club in boynton beach, suburb of palm beach
You and any other LBG folks are always welcome!

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