Geometry of the circle and how it applies to shot shaping .

[O.B.Left]

Following are two attempts to draw hook-face . Well as I understand it anyways anyways. Currently. Clarification is welcome .

The first one addressing the notion of hook-face as an angle between face and shaft that allows shorter clubs to be played back in the stance with a face that points down the impact plane line. Clubs are manufactured to sit like this , easily , naturally.

The second trying to and probably failing to illustrate a more "dynamic" version if you will. Just made that term up myself. A hooked-face induced by moving the sweetspot aft of the leading edge . Still trying to find where Homer alludes to this . I know its there somewhere.

(HB I know you have issues with the second drawing... In regard to its practicality given theres a human holding the club etc. Just saying/drawing )





NOTE THE FOLLOWING DRAWING IS NOT GEOMETRY OF THE CIRCLE IN NATURE . MORE PHYSICS RELATED.

[O.B.Left]

Deep thoughts coming:

Is hook-face a built in Grip Rotation so to speak?

If there is a dynamic hook-face would true swingers be able to play the ball back in their stance accordingly. Seems like they could ... if they really exist that is in the wild as opposed to a theoretical construct. The extreme end of the manipulated / unmanipulated spectrum . Those for whom CF alone squares the clubface .

Ive stepped in two cow pie's in a single step here maybe. Its a good thing we're in the Lab.

[HungryBear]

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I will read your post shortly BUT

You aint gona slip thjat "CONE" by me.

HB

[O.B.Left]

I will read your post shortly BUT

You aint gona slip thjat "CONE" by me.

HB

I know , I know . You beat my edit to the post.

Now, in the defence of cones... A swinging door (single Horizontal) could putt a very nice ball , ball location needing to be precise as it influences the direction directly . Variation in direction along a horizontal plane. Whereas a swinging pet door would have more margin for ball positioning as its variation is along a vertical plane ... blah blah blah bl....

(Getting back to geometry nicely. One step into the physics and yikes.)

[O.B.Left]

Here's the section of the book I was trying to find .. Hook face in a more dynamic manner , if you will. Found it in Aiming Point Procedure.

The hook-face and aiming point do relate as changes in ball position away from the Straight Away Position can / must be offset by changes in the Aiming Point Procedure . Most commonly done subconsciously . "Done by feel" in common speak . Hand / eye. IMO. You get a feel for the stick in your hands , how it "swings" with a practice swing or waggle and then hit the ball having made a suitable adjustment to the feel / effort needed to make that particular lever switch ends and arrive at its Fix alignment at Impact.

In one sense, the Aiming point as a spot along the Arc of Approach is a way of tricking yourself into making the club release in a speedier , slower manner so as to reach its Fix Alignment more correctly. Done via trial and error . IMO. Leaving your driver out to the right ? You could move the Aiming Point ever so slightly back along the arc of approach to trick you into applying the force necessary to square the club quicker.. so to speak.

There are other applications too , concepts relating to Aiming Point.

This aint geometry of the circle either but we're gonna need it to understand the Homerian view of the manner in which a golfing master hits the golf ball. Uh if that's possible .. tbd. gonna need a little help from our friends.



FROM THE 6TH EDITION.

6-E-2 THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT The Hands and the Clubhead combine as Clubhead Lag (5-0, 6-C) and can be utilized to execute “Delivery” by directing the Lag Pressure Loading (6-C-2-A) at – and through per 4-0 – an Aiming Point located on the appropriate Delivery Line per 2-J-3 and 7-23. This Aiming Point can be pin-pointed by experiment and experience only, because “normal” Handspeed differs among players. Increased Handspeed and/or Sweep Release moves it aft of its “normal” Handspeed location and decreased Handspeed and/or Trigger Delay moves it forward. 10-24 presents additional detail. The Aiming Point replaces the Ball so you no longer direct the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball but at the Aiming Point just as if it were the Ball – like an explosion shot from sand. Experiment until you grasp the effects of Ball Positioning (2-N).

And the shorter Clubs take less time to reach the In-Line condition from a given Release Point than do the longer Club, due to the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum (6-C-2-B). Now, the wide face of the shorter Clubs allow the Sweet Spot to be moved a suitable distance back form the Leading Edge with the result that Centrifugal Force squares the Clubface earlier in accordance. So, with the Ball placed farther back form Low Point it could produce a Straightaway Flight Line for all Clubs while having the same Release Point Feel. This led to the assumption that one Release Feel would use one Ball location resulting in a constant struggle for consistency. Actually, when in doubt, there is always the Impact Fix Location procedure (7-.

[HungryBear]

Here's the section of the book I was trying to find .. Hook face in a more dynamic manner , if you will. Found it in Aiming Point Procedure.

The hook-face and aiming point do relate as changes in ball position away from the Straight Away Position can / must be offset by changes in the Aiming Point Procedure . Most commonly done subconsciously . "Done by feel" in common speak . Hand / eye. IMO. You get a feel for the stick in your hands , how it "swings" with a practice swing or waggle and then hit the ball having made a suitable adjustment to the feel / effort needed to make that particular lever switch ends and arrive at its Fix alignment at Impact.

In one sense, the Aiming point as a spot along the Arc of Approach is a way of tricking yourself into making the club release in a speedier , slower manner so as to reach its Fix Alignment more correctly. Done via trial and error . IMO. Leaving your driver out to the right ? You could move the Aiming Point ever so slightly back along the arc of approach to trick you into applying the force necessary to square the club quicker.. so to speak.

There are other applications too , concepts relating to Aiming Point.

This aint geometry of the circle either but we're gonna need it to understand the Homerian view of the manner in which a golfing master hits the golf ball. Uh if that's possible .. tbd. gonna need a little help from our friends.



FROM THE 6TH EDITION.

The quote from TGM- 6-E-2 -6th Edition - is one of the most confusing - has anyone put a update together that would update it- maybe it will become clearer what HK intended to say?

HB

[O.B.Left]

I dont know about an update , but I can do down date. Er back date.

Here's Abe Mitchell , from Down To Scratch , 1933.




Sounds like the Aiming Point Procedure to me. I'm thinking Homer might have read this book , maybe. Who knows? Abe touches on what Homer calls Hands to Pivot as well, IMO.

Perhaps the above was a procedure Abe discovered on his own through years of trial and error, or perhaps some other golfer gave him the procedure? Itd be an interesting thing to ask a golf historian.

But the physics behind it, the reason to do it I believe is what Homer was referring to in 6-E-2 when he said;

"And the shorter Clubs take less time to reach the In-Line condition from a given Release Point than do the longer Club, due to the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum (6-C-2-B). "

Now alternatively or additionally IMO, you could of course CONSCIOUSLY change your Release Point ..... Release a tad earlier for the longer , slower to switch ends clubs. This is one reason why getting so nutso about Snap Release , beautiful though it is , can cause some grief IMO. Snap , Random Sweep , Full Sweep Release are necessary adjustments available to the master golfer. The physics , the reason for their employment though largely unknown to the golfer is still there. " You gotta sweep your long irons" was a common phrase back in the days of the long irons. Accomplished via ball position and release point considerations in TGM terms. Or you could just "get a feel for it" by watching others, "brush the grass". There's a sound to it too , not much divot if any etc etc.



Wanna hit your 7 iron a little higher than normal to get over a tree? Move the ball up in the stance , employ a slightly earlier Release Point or move your Aiming Point or various combinations there of. Or in common speak "sweep the ball off a forward ball positioned forward in your stance".

[HungryBear]

I dont know about an update , but I can do down date. Er back date.

Here's Abe Mitchell , from Down To Scratch , 1933.

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Sounds like the Aiming Point Procedure to me. I'm thinking Homer might have read this book , maybe. Who knows? Abe touches on what Homer calls Hands to Pivot as well, IMO.

Perhaps the above was a procedure Abe discovered on his own through years of trial and error, or perhaps some other golfer gave him the procedure? Itd be an interesting thing to ask a golf historian.

But the physics behind it, the reason to do it I believe is what Homer was referring to in 6-E-2 when he said;




Now alternatively or additionally IMO, you could of course change your Release Point ..... Release a tad earlier for the longer , slower to switch ends clubs. This is one reason why getting so nutso about Snap Release , beautiful though it is , can cause some grief IMO. Snap , Random Sweep , Full Sweep Release are necessary adjustments available to the master golfer. The physics , the reason for their employment though largely unknown to the golfer is still there. " You gotta sweep your long irons" was a common phrase back in the days of the long irons. Accomplished via ball position and release point considerations in TGM terms. Or you could just "get a feel for it" by watching others, "brush the grass". There's a sound to it too , not much divot if any etc etc.



Wanna hit your 7 iron a little higher than normal to get over a tree? Move the ball up in the stance , employ a slightly earlier Release Point or move your Aiming Point or various combinations there of. Or in common speak "sweep the ball off a forward ball positioned forward in your stance".

Well! After rereading 6-E-2 slowly about 50 times word by word and your comments above I have come to a conclusion. AIMING POINT IS A RESULT of alignments NOT AN ALIGNMENT BY ITSELF. After getting alignments to a point of satisfaction the aiming point becomes a "marker".

As U said in the 7 iron paragraph HK said in 1,2,3 page 83 ( 6th edition)

That is why I have a 68* wedge and a #1 iron, for practice only, never in the bag but practice smooth release, ball position and keeping hand rhythm THROUGH impact.

You mention snap release- The cure for the "snap release" ambition is to know that the entire right forearm goes into impact and maintaining right wrist bend. U can't "flip" that assembly.

HB