Do folks who use TGM techniques/swing tend to play with clubs that have more upright lie angles? In reading and experimenting with the TGM setup and swing, I feel like (and have measured) that my hands are two to three inches "higher" from the ground than with my usual setup with arms and forearms more or less hanging straight down from shoulders. My best and most consistent shots using TGM hitting technique are with a rescue club that is 2* more upright than my irons which were static and dynamically fitted a few years ago. Thanks in advaance for responses, and no I haven't grown any in the last two years...I'm 62.
If you are doing the dowell drills and impact bag work your specs can change dramatically. I just had my fitting checked and went from 1* upright to 1* flat in the last year.
In regard to "Machiners", I would have to go with flatter lie angles then what the general public is use to. Clubhead Throwaway from horizontal wrist motion will result in a fully Uncocked Left Wrist (4-B-3) at Impact, instead of a Level Wrist (4-B-1). You Left Wrist should not be fully Uncocked until after Impact (extension of the Primary level Assembly resulting in a zero #3 accumulator requiring more upright lie angles).
The problem with dynamic fitting is that we often fit to the players swing. Unfortunately, too often we have to fit for Throwaway tendencies to help correct ball flight .
I would say since most lie angles are ridiculously upright as it is and most iron lengths are longer than old standard (which makes them more upright as well) that the lies tend to get flatter.
I went from standard to 2* flat. Also, how stiff the shaft has an effect on it as well.
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I would say since most lie angles are ridiculously upright as it is and most iron lengths are longer than old standard (which makes them more upright as well) that the lies tend to get flatter.
I went from standard to 2* flat. Also, how stiff the shaft has an effect on it as well.
Good call Jim. The club industry has changed in the last fifteen years to more upright lie angles as their standard lie angle.
I would say since most lie angles are ridiculously upright as it is and most iron lengths are longer than old standard (which makes them more upright as well) that the lies tend to get flatter.
I went from standard to 2* flat. Also, how stiff the shaft has an effect on it as well.
I agree with Jim that the lie angles are too upright for most sets made today. Mizuno's lie angle is 2 to 3 flatter than most other manufacturers. My ballstriking improved immediately after switching to Mizuno irons that were 3 degrees flatter than the other manufacturer's typical lie angle.
All of you must be talking about off the rack clubs not custom fitting. I have been fitting Henry-Griffitts clubs since 1989. The great thing about HG is there are no standards. Sure there is a standard because you have to start somewhere but there are no standard as to where a good fitter ends up. If a student has a relationship with a good fitter/teacher the teacher will fit the student to where he/she is at that time. If the swing changes and it will with TGM then a good fitter will change the club accordingly. As for as lie angles go I will say that over the years using TGM and fitting HG I have seen lie angles go for upright to flatter. Mine went for 7up to 3 up. My suggestion would be to find a HG fitter who is also a TGM AI and there will be no way you can go wrong.
A word of advice: If you are truley working on and changing your swing check your lie angles every three months are so, and change them if needed.
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