From the Top

[lagster]

There are instructors that advocate a left wrist throw, and some of them probably more of a hand throw, right from the Top. Some of these are fairly well known instructors, and some of them have TGM knowledge.

Anyway... on film, some of the students employing this procedure will actually have the LOOK of a Random Sweep, and some even towards a Snap Release! Others, will be more towards a Sweep Release.

Has anyone else seen this? What do you believe is the reason, or reasons for the differences in the LOOK of the Releases?

[annikan skywalker]

Trigger Delay!!!! or ....Lack thereof....

Skywalker

[lagster]

Trigger Delay!!!! or ....Lack thereof....

Skywalker

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Yes, Trigger Delay. However, if the player SAYS he THROWS it right from the TOP, but still has a Snap Release with VISUAL Trigger Delay... how do you explain that?

[MBCpro]

Feel is not real!

Danger in listening to what a players feels, look, look, look.

Alignments can be verified!!!


Todd

[Yoda]

Yes, Trigger Delay. However, if the player SAYS he THROWS it right from the TOP, but still has a Snap Release with VISUAL Trigger Delay... how do you explain that?

The Player is confusing 'Feel' with 'real.' The Throw -- the Release Trigger -- can occur as early as possible, as late as possible or somewhere in between. But, once Triggered, the Release occurs and that's it for this time 'round.

You simply cannot Release the Club at the Top and at the Side (or later) during the same Stroke.

[annikan skywalker]

And the Choir said...."Amen"

[metallion]

There are instructors that advocate a left wrist throw, and some of them probably more of a hand throw, right from the Top. Some of these are fairly well known instructors, and some of them have TGM knowledge.

Anyway... on film, some of the students employing this procedure will actually have the LOOK of a Random Sweep, and some even towards a Snap Release! Others, will be more towards a Sweep Release.

Has anyone else seen this? What do you believe is the reason, or reasons for the differences in the LOOK of the Releases?

Mike Austin et al?

[lagster]

Originally Posted by lagster

Yes, Trigger Delay. However, if the player SAYS he THROWS it right from the TOP, but still has a Snap Release with VISUAL Trigger Delay... how do you explain that?

The Player is confusing 'Feel' with 'real.' The Throw -- the Release Trigger -- can occur as early as possible, as late as possible or somewhere in between. But, once Triggered, the Release occurs and that's it for this time 'round.

You simply cannot Release the Club at the Top and at the Side (or later) during the same Stroke.

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Yes, I understand FEEL vs. REAL. Do you think that this could have something to do with the fact that most Strokes take 2 seconds or less to complete? Some people's wiring may be such that what they are sensing, may not match with reality, but the way they FEEL OR SENSE what they are doing could work very well for them.

[Loren]

Mike Austin had a pronounced "drop it in the slot" move at the startdown, prob'ly done by leading with the right elbow. But he explained his motion as straightening the right elbow on the way down and made a gesture of pointing his right index finger at the ball, indicating that everything lined up at impact.
His gesture also had the "spin the waiter's tray from the top" a la Tomasello's
"whip" (without a club in hand) on the Mike Austin/Mike Dunaway video.

That said, the swing sequences posted on the web show him with a significant delayed uncocking at the ball, like many others. The lag was created, increased and held late.

[Bigwill]

I've been fiddling around with this lately, so it's funny that this thread came up. From my "experimentation", the difference is largely in the way the body moves. In other words, the amount of trigger delay was affected directly by the influence of the body, rather than the motion of the hands. For example, I noticed that when I really tried to create the look (as opposed to the feel) of throwaway, my body had to react in a very different way in order to produce that throwaway. It's funny, in my best-ever ballstriking session, I tried to feel like I was creating the "swish" of the golf club by my right shoulder. I've never had better contact, prettier ballflight, or more effortless swing as I had that day. It's a good feel, in my opinion, for the right type of player, with the right type of mechanics.