Hitters clubface at top

[phillygolf]

[quote=YodasLuke]I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me . [quote]

Hi Ted...

Just curious...

Do you feel your improvement is due to hitting being more compatible with angled hinging (perhaps your feel preference) or due to your overall motion - meaning, its not necessarily the angled hinging piece, but just that hitting fits you better.

I ask because sometimes I feel Homer spoke in absolutes and of course perfection in alignments - which I am all for. However, I personally feel people shouldnt get too carried away on alot of the components (I'm in trouble now!)...and should always allow for psychological preferences.

There are a ton of swingers on tour using angled hinging. Just curious as to your thoughts on why the change has worked so well for you.

Thanks.

[bray]

There are a few local professionals that are coming to me for TGM based instruction. I've found a common thread of misconception with them and with others that are trying to hit.

Depending on the use of 10-5-A versus 10-5-E, the look of the clubface at top can be different. Angled hinging is the "feel" of no roll. But, hitters still have turn and roll. Understand that the geometry of a hitter and swinger at top are the same.

I'm one of the culprits. My own misinterpretation of Angled Hinging along with watching Ted's hitting video on this web site led me to believe the club face should appeared closed at Top for a hitter. This led to some disastorous ball striking. However once Ted explained right forearm pick up on the backswing and angled hinging through the ball, my ball striking has improved immensley.

This just proves TGM is great, but man it get's a lot easier when you work on YOUR hit (or swing) with a knowledgeable teacher.

Thanks again Ted.

Sorting throught the Circuit Player's Handbook.

B-Ray

[powerdraw]

I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me . Also, the idea of simultaneous release of the power package was interesting, when I had been taught that you had to "keep" clubhead lag. I now create lag.
I feel that my present pattern is about 6 to 8 shots better for me than the (so called) swinging that I was being taught. Hitting is not for the faint of heart, though. It takes conscious thought, on every shot, for the rest of your life. It's not like swinging, where you can place it on cruise control.
Thank God I met Lynn Blake. I'd still be switting!

yikes...this reply sure sounds like my present situation...i hit alot of high fades these days, AH for sure in a long long swinging procedure. your reply about the swivels and stuff has hit home a bit here in canada...i am also very interested in your statement about 'dont keep, create the lag' i would love if fo you to expand on that thought. thanks

[YodasLuke]

[quote=phillygolf][quote=YodasLuke]I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me .

Hi Ted...

Just curious...

Do you feel your improvement is due to hitting being more compatible with angled hinging (perhaps your feel preference) or due to your overall motion - meaning, its not necessarily the angled hinging piece, but just that hitting fits you better.

I ask because sometimes I feel Homer spoke in absolutes and of course perfection in alignments - which I am all for. However, I personally feel people shouldnt get too carried away on alot of the components (I'm in trouble now!)...and should always allow for psychological preferences.

There are a ton of swingers on tour using angled hinging. Just curious as to your thoughts on why the change has worked so well for you.

Thanks.

In my own game, I wanted structure, minimal body participation, and to be "so darn accurate", as Homer said. I knew in my heart of hearts that all of this turn, turn, turn crap had something that was not right. I just didn't know what it was until Yoda explained TGM to me. I was being taught pivot controlled hands, and I felt like a spaz. As a result, I was tracing the arc of approach (not recommended). It really saddens me that there are so many instructors out there that teach band-aid after band-aid with no regard to root causes of problems. TGM's just "too complicated." To that, Homer said, "making golf instruction simple makes it incomplete."
As far as the Tour, I think that there are many out there that are great in spite of instruction. Many use Hogan as a model in teaching, and instead of teaching alignments, they try to mimic his motion. That's fine as long as you know his history. Many say that Hogan was able to hook a SW 50 yards. He hated the fact that he hooked it so far. For numerous reasons (grip being paramount), he had a natural hook that wouldn't quit. Everything he did in his motion was designed to keep the ball from hooking. So, if a player comes to you that slices the ball off the planet, do you sit him down and teach him Hogan's Five Lessons? I've worked with hundreds of juniors and I've seen the evolution of students under many other instructors. Most start with a slice, the better kids learn eventually how to hook it. Then, they spend the rest of their lives trying to keep it from hooking (swinging with angled hinging.) Additionally, swinging is the only thing being taught in modern instruction. Hitting became a lost art when Homer died. It's our blessing that Yoda came back to the golfing world, and BOLDLY said, "there are TWO patterns." He's such a non-conformist.
The way that I built my pattern was by taking everything that was moving and made it stop. I first took the pivot completely out. I kept my head stationary. I made my left wrist stay flat in a basic motion. And, began with a one accumulator stroke (#1). As far as the changing of components, change one at a time and make it yours. Trying to change multiple components will be anyone's downfall.

[YodasLuke]

I'm one of the culprits. My own misinterpretation of Angled Hinging along with watching Ted's hitting video on this web site led me to believe the club face should appeared closed at Top for a hitter. This led to some disastorous ball striking. However once Ted explained right forearm pick up on the backswing and angled hinging through the ball, my ball striking has improved immensley.

This just proves TGM is great, but man it get's a lot easier when you work on YOUR hit (or swing) with a knowledgeable teacher.

Thanks again Ted.

Sorting throught the Circuit Player's Handbook.

B-Ray

There are always those students on which I hope the world does not judge my teaching. (The guy that you wonder how he gets dressed in the morning without hurting himself or someone else.) Of those, you ARE NOT one. I'm very proud of your progress, and I know there aren't many that want the knowledge more than you. Not only will you become one of the best teachers in the world, you'll also be able to demostrate the patterns. They'll say, "he talks the talk and walks the walk." For that reason, I'll feel like a proud papa for helping you along the journey.

[YodasLuke]

yikes...this reply sure sounds like my present situation...i hit alot of high fades these days, AH for sure in a long long swinging procedure. your reply about the swivels and stuff has hit home a bit here in canada...i am also very interested in your statement about 'dont keep, create the lag' i would love if fo you to expand on that thought. thanks

When people say 'keep', it leads to the keeping of the power accumulators. We call it accumulator lag (not good). The question is: How does the clubhead stay behind the hands? The simple answer is: The grip has to have greater pressure placed against it than that of the clubhead's momentum. You don't 'sustain the lag' by keeping the clubhead from passing your hands. You keep pressure in the pressure points of the hands that is greater than that of the energy of the forward moving clubhead.
When I stopped trying to keep the clubhead behind everything and started trying to keep the grip in front of everything, my game changed forever.

[12 piece bucket]

[quote=YodasLuke][quote=phillygolf]

I'll answer both, if I may...
I decided to go to hitting because of the feel of angled hinging. I had been taught to swing with angled hinging, which was a disastrous combination. And the thought of a start-up swivel and release swivel made me .

In my own game, I wanted structure, minimal body participation, and to be "so darn accurate", as Homer said. I knew in my heart of hearts that all of this turn, turn, turn crap had something that was not right. I just didn't know what it was until Yoda explained TGM to me. I was being taught pivot controlled hands, and I felt like a spaz. As a result, I was tracing the arc of approach (not recommended). It really saddens me that there are so many instructors out there that teach band-aid after band-aid with no regard to root causes of problems. TGM's just "too complicated." To that, Homer said, "making golf instruction simple makes it incomplete."
As far as the Tour, I think that there are many out there that are great in spite of instruction. Many use Hogan as a model in teaching, and instead of teaching alignments, they try to mimic his motion. That's fine as long as you know his history. Many say that Hogan was able to hook a SW 50 yards. He hated the fact that he hooked it so far. For numerous reasons (grip being paramount), he had a natural hook that wouldn't quit. Everything he did in his motion was designed to keep the ball from hooking. So, if a player comes to you that slices the ball off the planet, do you sit him down and teach him Hogan's Five Lessons? I've worked with hundreds of juniors and I've seen the evolution of students under many other instructors. Most start with a slice, the better kids learn eventually how to hook it. Then, they spend the rest of their lives trying to keep it from hooking (swinging with angled hinging.) Additionally, swinging is the only thing being taught in modern instruction. Hitting became a lost art when Homer died. It's our blessing that Yoda came back to the golfing world, and BOLDLY said, "there are TWO patterns." He's such a non-conformist.
The way that I built my pattern was by taking everything that was moving and made it stop. I first took the pivot completely out. I kept my head stationary. I made my left wrist stay flat in a basic motion. And, began with a one accumulator stroke (#1). As far as the changing of components, change one at a time and make it yours. Trying to change multiple components will be anyone's downfall.

This post is as strong as train smoke!

[ldeit]

Ted,

Good explanations and info!

Lee Deitrick (ldeit)

[Yoda]

...Yoda came back to the golfing world, and BOLDLY said, "there are TWO patterns."

And in the Stroke Patterns, 12-1-0 is Hitting and 12-2-0 is Swinging.

This does not mean that Hitting is better than Swinging. It does mean that Hitting is a bonafide way of moving a Golf Club through Impact. And almost everybody starts off that way: Hitting the Ball with the Right Arm. And that is why TGM was originally presented as a Right Arm-based System.

Over time, Homer Kelley came to see the distinct differences between Left Arm Centrifugal Throw-Out Action and Right Arm Muscular Drive-Out Action. Body Momentum Transfer into Left Arm Pull or Right Triceps Drive into Right Arm Push.

Do one.

Or the other.

But not both...

At least not at the same time.

[Yoda]

When I stopped trying to keep the clubhead behind everything and started trying to keep the grip in front of everything, my game changed forever.

Now that's good.

Really good.