Average Joe

[brianmanzella]

Another point I should have made:

Both of these occured in 1991.

I teach 45,678 times better now than then.


More recent....13 year old came to me in September. He had never broke 90 in a real tournament.

Didn't own a driver, played with a junk set of ladies clubs.

Couldn't hit a good chip shot.

7 months later, shot 73 in tournaments—twice.


As far as any details go.....hmmm......I might have to do a video

[kmmcnabb]

Fire up the camcorder and get in the backyard. We are ready to learn.

Have a great holiday season.

[YodasLuke]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

Brian's right, it can be done. I love to get new students with small goals. Because of previous experience with instruction, they ask, "do you think I could get a little better? I shoot in the low 100's and I'd like to break 100. Do you think we can do that?" ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?! Lets shoot for the 70's!
Any instructor can help to shave a few strokes. I've witnessed things that I never believed possible in TGM instructors. I've been around some of the greatest teachers in the business as a student and as an observer, and unfortunately to most I'd never return. It's a shame that some don't even understand simple geometry. If you’re willing to learn, you must be willing to accept new ideas. Those ideas have to measured against your present belief systems. As new ideas abound, TGM continues to gain the strongest hold in my beliefs. The information is irrefutable.
I've told many of you about one of my greatest juniors. If you hit a drive and you see the whites of Yoda's eyes, you know you've busted it. This junior is 15 now, but started with me at 14. He is a great athlete, and played everything but golf. I gave him his first lesson, and in 8 months he shot 33 for 9 holes. After 14 months, he shot 67 for 18 holes. He'll be playing #1 on his high school team as a sophomore. He's so young in golf, I can't wait to see the things he'll be able to accomplish. When he wins a Tour event, I hope he'll give a shout out to Homer.

[Yoda]

I've told many of you about one of my greatest juniors. If you hit a drive and you see the whites of Yoda's eyes, you know you've busted it. This junior is 15 now, but started with me at 14. He is a great athlete, and played everything but golf. I gave him his first lesson, and in 8 months he shot 33 for 9 holes. After 14 months, he shot 67 for 18 holes. He'll be playing #1 on his high school team as a sophomore. He's so young in golf, I can't wait to see the things he'll be able to accomplish. When he wins a Tour event, I hope he'll give a shout out to Homer.

Ted speaks the truth. And this young man is as humble as he is talented. He's a refreshing change of pace in the often cocksure world of junior golf.

[Martee]

What I have observed is that the 'average joe' will not improve long term at least unless there is one critical factor. The willingness and ability to adhere to the instruction given.

No matter how good the instructor is, if the student doesn't commit, success is not to be. Kind of making a golf stroke, you need to commit to it else all who knows, it might work, it probably won't.

A sidenote, the short game fix is a bandaide in most cases. Cause if you have poor basics with the short game, you can get some good results, but it won't hold up and it certainly isn't going to help the rest of your game. I have seen more flippers get away with it in the short game only to see the same moves in the rest of the game that kills them.

[12 piece bucket]

Another point I should have made:

Both of these occured in 1991.

I teach 45,678 times better now than then.


More recent....13 year old came to me in September. He had never broke 90 in a real tournament.

Didn't own a driver, played with a junk set of ladies clubs.

Couldn't hit a good chip shot.

7 months later, shot 73 in tournaments—twice.


As far as any details go.....hmmm......I might have to do a video

B,

You have to do a video!!!!!

We need it YESTERDAY!

Lay down the gauntlet.

B

[12 piece bucket]

Brian's right, it can be done. I love to get new students with small goals. Because of previous experience with instruction, they ask, "do you think I could get a little better? I shoot in the low 100's and I'd like to break 100. Do you think we can do that?" ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?! Lets shoot for the 70's!
Any instructor can help to shave a few strokes. I've witnessed things that I never believed possible in TGM instructors. I've been around some of the greatest teachers in the business as a student and as an observer, and unfortunately to most I'd never return. It's a shame that some don't even understand simple geometry. If you’re willing to learn, you must be willing to accept new ideas. Those ideas have to measured against your present belief systems. As new ideas abound, TGM continues to gain the strongest hold in my beliefs. The information is irrefutable.
When he wins a Tour event, I hope he'll give a shout out to Homer.

Another of the BRASS chimes in with more CONFIDENCE!!!! This is what golf needs!!!

The common denominators of these BREAKTHROUGH MAKEOVERS must be domcumented. . .

I'm LOVING THIS THREAD!!!

[brianmanzella]

Ok ok ok....

what do you want on this video 12 piece.

[12 piece bucket]

Ok ok ok....

what do you want on this video 12 piece.

First off we definitely will need to see a heavy dose of the Manzella confidence . . . Not just self-confidence but BELIEF in the student's ability to get'r done assuming the person is not a total dorked out goofball physically.

Need to know what YOU have done to help your students that have gone from golf's out-house to the G.O.L.F. Penthouse. AND what THE STUDENT did. Is there a MANZELLA PROCESS? Or is there some common theme in those you have TRANSFORMED?

And we will need to know what to EXPECT as students . . .

1. Minimum Time Commitment
2. Critical Mechanics/Aligments and drills
3. Assuming an HOURS worth of practice . . . how should the PRACTICE HOUR be organized to be most effective.
4. Are we talking overnight (probably not) or x number of years max.

Basically a HERE'S WHAT I'VE DONE WITH THESE PEOPLE AND IF YOU WANT THESE TYPE OF RESULTS HERE'S MINIMUM COMITMENT OF TIME AND EFFORT IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO GET THERE.

Now off to the phone booth B . . . THIS IS A JOB FOR . . .

THE ITALIAN STALLION

[golf2much]

I am 51, and really started playing golf at 46. I had the good fortune to run into an older gentleman who once upon a time was a Hogan Staff member and a local PGA pro. At 76, he took this struggling to make solid contact beginner under his wing. He taught me the value of a solid impact position, flat left wrist and bent right srist without so much as mentioning 12-1 or 12-2. Little did I know the journey he started me on. Within 3 months I was a 12 HC and found the yellow book courtesy of a friend. Lots of work later, periodic nurturing by the old guy, a discovery of the LBG site and the Yoda archives led to fairly rapid inprovement. Fast forward to now, +2 HC and a reasonable swing and a reasonable understanding of my swing. Certainly I still have issues (Yoda has a disk to review as we speak), but the TGM fundamentals were the way. I am forever grateful to Chuck Rey(the old guy) this site and the valuable archived posts.
G2M