Distance with hitting

[comdpa]

I truly recommend that you guys put some time in on the Tomasello tapes...

DG

Delaware Golf...

I have been doing that..."down and out on the inclined plane." That is some seriously good stuff!

[Delaware Golf]

Delaware Golf...

I have been doing that..."down and out on the inclined plane." That is some seriously good stuff!

Great Comdpa,

Just a reminder from the letter series videos...Tommy said...start with the chips and pitches (with the right forearm) and slowly work it up to a full swing. Definitely use the chapter 12-5 basic motion, acquired motion, and Total Motion approach.

With some good practice time, the forearm muscles will strengthen and this version of swinging and/or hitting will become second nature.

DG

[jim_0068]

While htting from a model pont of view appears simpler to me I can not for the life of me come close to the distance I could achieve while swinging( about 3 club difference). I know my mentor (yodasLuke) has stated it is the trick that is hardest to learn but for me (maybe because of physical issues) I cannot seem to use my right arm activelly without using my right hand resulting in the unbending of the right wrist resulting in casting etc. I suspect something in the lower pivot motion is required to make it work whether than pivot motion be active or passive.


Either case where do I begin drill wise etc. to get there. I have tried the right arm only and can't really make good contact with the ball which of course limits the distance.

As a thought process I drive my right hard as I can from the end of my backswing very hard right from the start. It is a reduced backswing so I do not believe I have over accelerated before I hit the ball.

Dave

Don't take this the wrong way, but why did you switch if you were striking the ball better swinging?

[comdpa]

Great Compa,

Just a reminder from the letter series videos...Tommy said...start with the chips and pitches (with the right forearm) and slowly work it up to a full swing. Definitely use the chapter 12-5 basic motion, acquired motion, and Total Motion approach.

With some good practice time, the forearm muscles will strengthen and this version of swinging and/or hitting will become second nature.

DG

DG,

I personally do not think that this is another "version of swinging and/or hitting".

To me, this is TGM personified, as Tommy speaks of using the hands and then let the body follow.

Sounds like a Hand Controlled Pivot Procedure to me. I am referencing the 2nd part of the Tomasello Letters on LBG.

[Delaware Golf]

DG,

I personally do not think that this is another "version of swinging and/or hitting".

To me, this is TGM personified, as Tommy speaks of using the hands and then let the body follow.

Sounds like a Hand Controlled Pivot Procedure to me. I am referencing the 2nd part of the Tomasello Letters on LBG.

Comdpa,

Just remember Tommy is not applying direct force with his hands. See section 5-0...where Homer makes the comment, "Learn to SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS....". See 10-11-0-1 and 10-11-0-3 and key in on the word "passive" and/or "passively" while commenting about the use of the right arm for swinging or the right arm swing.

DG

[comdpa]

Comdpa,

Just remember Tommy is not applying direct force with his hands. See section 5-0...where Homer makes the comment, "Learn to SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS....". See 10-11-0-1 and 10-11-0-3 and key in on the word "passive" and/or "passively" while commenting about the use of the right arm for swinging or the right arm swing.

DG

Thanks for the reminder buddy...

I like to think of it as "the intent to uncock the club down
and out on plane" causes the body and thus the hands to react correctly" - in exact accordance with 5-0.

[davel]

Don't take this the wrong way, but why did you switch if you were striking the ball better swinging?

I had cancer in my rear leg and the leg to above the knee had to be amputated.At the Canton forum it was felt that hitting would be easier that swinging because I couldn't get the pivot I needed for swinging. But never fear with the generous help of the people on the forum and others I'll get it back sufficient to play a ok game.

Dave

[Martee]

While htting from a model pont of view appears simpler to me I can not for the life of me come close to the distance I could achieve while swinging( about 3 club difference). I know my mentor (yodasLuke) has stated it is the trick that is hardest to learn but for me (maybe because of physical issues) I cannot seem to use my right arm activelly without using my right hand resulting in the unbending of the right wrist resulting in casting etc. I suspect something in the lower pivot motion is required to make it work whether than pivot motion be active or passive.


Either case where do I begin drill wise etc. to get there. I have tried the right arm only and can't really make good contact with the ball which of course limits the distance.

As a thought process I drive my right hard as I can from the end of my backswing very hard right from the start. It is a reduced backswing so I do not believe I have over accelerated before I hit the ball.

Dave

I normally employ swinging, but as when I was with Yoda, I actually discovered that I got equal or more distance from hitting.

BUT...that doesn't always hold true. Call it leakage or whatever but the following are my problems...

1. Starting too fast on the downstroke where, even though it doesn't feel like it, I top out on accelerating, that doesn't mean the club is slowing down, just not accelerating anymore.

2. Rhythm, there is a big difference IMO between Hitters and Swingers and this is something that I struggle with all the time.

For hitting, I practice waggle (not a good term in this case) over the top of the ball. Starting at Impact Fix, back one foot, then drive out over the top of the ball to follow through and then repeat without pausing.

For swinging, I start at Impact Fix, then go to the top and make the move down to release where I force the uncock keeping on the incline plane. Start slow and then speed up for three or four reps.

This kind of syncs me up for the difference between the two, cause if I mix the rhythm between either, I have major power leakage.

[tball88]

I have tried and tried to swing and get the distance that I can get hitting and have not had any luck. I really believe in what Homer said, if quick swing, if strong hit. Each person's individual genetics and characteristics play the dominent role on what way a person will be able to swing the club with the most authority. I also have learned from experience that while it's nice to try to learn both, I think each person has a natural tendency. That first time you ever picked up a club did you push it or pull it... That's usually the answer to how you should play..

[Vandal]

I had cancer in my rear leg and the leg to above the knee had to be amputated.At the Canton forum it was felt that hitting would be easier that swinging because I couldn't get the pivot I needed for swinging. But never fear with the generous help of the people on the forum and others I'll get it back sufficient to play a ok game.

Dave

This sure puts my frustration with searching for a swing in perspective. Go get 'em Dave.