A Different Thought

[rave154]

Lag pressure.....is described as the same feeling as dragging a heavy wet mop(which i agree with btw).

Might i be allowed to perhaps, add an alternative analogy?(for people who cant grasp the mop concept)

put simply..."swing the whole shaft, not just the club-head".

swing every part of the shaft, at the same speed, from grip to club head....the whoooooooooooole shaft, down and along the plane.

Thoughts?

[rave154]

of course, as you are "swing the whoooole" shaft, that right fore-arm is bang in line and swinging with it, the whole job swung down and along the plane.

[glcoach]

That particular thought always encouraged throw away IMO

[rave154]

When i do this, swinging the WHOLE SHAFT........ i get a great sense of the plane....i can "FEEL" it....burning through the air.

The whole club feels heavy, like im swinging a Momentus, if i for one instant think or "do" swing the club-head(flip, throw, flick).......that feeling of the shaft is lost.....all i can feel is my hands and the club head.....the part in between (the Shaft & the plane of it ) is lost.

[rave154]

GLcoach.

i agree..... allow me to explain further,

the WHOLE shaft....NOT the head

a feeling of the hands (top of the shaft) moving as fast as a part of the shaft that is say.... 4 inches down from the hands.......that is moving as fast as a part of the shaft 12 inches down from the hands.....that is also moving as fast as a part of the shaft that is.... say..... 25 inches away from the hands........get my drift?

throw away = what?........head moving faster than any-other part of the shaft? agreed?.......thats Not what im prescribing here.

nor am i prescribing.....hands(and that part of the shaft that the hands are ON) moving faster thatn the club head.......my feeling is of somewhere "in-between" those two.......ie.....the WHOLE shaft...moving at speed.

hope this comes across better.

[glcoach]

I see what you are saying now...good explanation

[lagster]

I heard Johnny Miller say that he thinks of swinging the whole shaft, not just the clubhead... something similar to that.

[Yoda]

Lag pressure.....is described as the same feeling as dragging a heavy wet mop(which i agree with btw).

Might i be allowed to perhaps, add an alternative analogy?(for people who cant grasp the mop concept)

put simply..."swing the whole shaft, not just the club-head".

swing every part of the shaft, at the same speed, from grip to club head....the whoooooooooooole shaft, down and along the plane.

Thoughts?

Not just the Clubshaft, rave154, but that's a nice start!

Actually, the idea is to deliver the ENTIRE Right Forearm Flying Wedge Down Plane into Impact. That would be the:

1. Clubhead;

2. Clubshaft;

3. Right Hand with its Bent Right Wrist; and

4. Right Forearm.

From the Top, think of the Clubshaft as the angled extension of the Right Forearm, add Lag Pressure at the #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the Right Hand Index Finger), and...

Let'er rip!

[rave154]

Yoda,

I agree again, the whole package as explained by yourself.

The only reason i keyed on "shaft" part was to try and get away from the common pop-instruction advice of "swingggg the cludhead".......or....."feeeeeel the clubhead"...etc etc....which in my opinion is only going to have one outcome...casting, throwing etc.

If you try and swing the whole shaft (including of course the clubhead...and the forearm as stated by yourself )....then casting, throwing is illiminated.

[rave154]

Yoda (and others),

As i said...when i myself "swing the whole shaft(and the fore-arm & wrist)"....i get a Very distinct sense of heavyness in the club, is this the elusive feeling of "dragging the wet mop" that i am experiencing here?

If i try and "swing the shaft" a little too quickly and mess it up, that feeling of heavyness is lost (and the shot is a mess, not to mention the swing when played back on video). You would call this perhaps........over-acceleration? Biting off more than i could chew?

I guess, different people will 'feel' the same correct movement/mechanics differently because in my own personal view a persons 'feeling' is based on the mechanical DIFFERENCE between what they were doing before and what they are doing now, not JUST on what they are doing now. Since almost everyone is coming from a different place, even if they all perform EXACTLY the same mechanical move now...they will all describe the feel slightly differently, though those 'feels' will perhaps have similarities.

Hopefully my descriptions and analogies come across ok

Thanks for the replys so far fella's