You know what a right triangle looks like right? Remember when you had that Ronald Regan haircut and you looked like Gumby just got beat with a flour sack?
Well if the plane angle is the hypotenusthingie and the vertical part is the distance from the hands to the ground at the top and the lil' part that connects the vertical part to the ball is the OUT in the plane. There's obviously more OUT in the flatter planes than the steep planes NO?
Soooooo . . . . if you swing on a steep plane then you HAVE TO SLIDE MORE AND EARLY IN ORDER TO KEEP THE HANDS ON THE PLANE . . . PERIOD. That's how it has to work. Try it . . . .take you hands up high like Hoch or Nicklaus . . . if you start down without sliding your hands fly out over the plane.
If you hands are IN, LOWER and DEEP on the flatter planes you have to rotate more or the club gets stuck behind you.
Please look at the pic of Sergio and explain where all this sliding that you speak of???
At least I'm starting to see where our disagreement is coming from- so that's good news - and therefore I know where I- "we" need to "dig" on this one.
I'll post later when I have more time but if you read my first post on this thread- I mentioned the theortical ideal and why from player to player you may not see something given compensations etc. - I did that A) because I don't think the answer lies in looking at players given that and B) so that somone wouldn't throw up some sequence and say "What about this?"- so I thought I had covered that in my post but then you start putting up swing sequences like a mad man!
The good news is I understand your perspective - I'll be back at ya! As usual for me the goal is to learn- I'm not worried about "winning" - and your perspective has some merit so this could be good for me to learn something new.
I want to post how I see our differences and the issues involved in understanding them but I'll do that later. For now, my mind works like this- one avenue to understanding this is to try to limit the variables- much like they do in a science experiment- so instead of comparing golfers to golfers- if we look at one particular golfer- and run with this idea of the relationship between plane angle/hand location and hip slide- then based on what you said, a steeper plane i.e. shorter clubs say a 9 iron would have more hip slide than the same player with a flatter swing i.e. a 4 iron- of course assuming no other variables such as effort and length of swing- etc. Some food for thought.
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At least I'm starting to see where our disagreement is coming from- so that's good news - and therefore I know where I- "we" need to "dig" on this one.
I'll post later when I have more time but if you read my first post on this thread- I mentioned the theortical ideal and why from player to player you may not see something given compensations etc. - I did that A) because I don't think the answer lies in looking at players given that and B) so that somone wouldn't throw up some sequence and say "What about this?"- so I thought I had covered that in my post but then you start putting up swing sequences like a mad man!
The good news is I understand your perspective - I'll be back at ya! As usual for me the goal is to learn- I'm not worried about "winning" - and your perspective has some merit so this could be good for me to learn something new.
I want to post how I see our differences and the issues involved in understanding them but I'll do that later. For now, my mind works like this- one avenue to understanding this is to try to limit the variables- much like they do in a science experiment- so instead of comparing golfers to golfers- if we look at one particular golfer- and run with this idea of the relationship between plane angle/hand location and hip slide- then based on what you said, a steeper plane i.e. shorter clubs say a 9 iron would have more hip slide than the same player with a flatter swing i.e. a 4 iron- of course assuming no other variables such as effort and length of swing- etc. Some food for thought.
Dude . . . did you just get intouch with your womanly side? I don't care about "WINNING" . . . I care about being the most annoying pain in the a$$ as possible.
So answer me this . . . what makes the club come OUT? What makes the club stay IN and BACK? What makes the club move DOWN? What makes the club stay HIGH?
Why do you think a flat plane requires more SLIDE? . . . What does slide make the club do?
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