So, the Right Shoulder can have direction, because it can move toward a Plane Line. There's no specific direction in "swinging left", as there's no direction for the Left Shoulder or the Hips. The Hips rotate more on a horizontal plane than on the inclined Plane. Therefore, giving them any direction is haphazard.
I think these ideas 12 Piece has explained is huge to my understanding of swinging left...
I create that perverted axis tilt YODA talked about, my right shoulder goes down with no out, and I'm stuck swinging way out to the right. No possible way to get left no matter how hard I try, and no way to get on top of the ball with my sternum.
Getting the right shoulder to go OUT along with down opens my shoulders slightly at impact, and allows me to swing back up the plane line (swing left) instead of out to the right, causing either massive blocks or the quackers.
Still excited a day later!
Kevin
__________________
I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
The Pivot generates the Raw underlying Power either like a Flywheel or, in addition, acts like a Backstop for Right Arm Thrust.
What tells the Pivot where to go?? The Hands should. The Pivot should go where the Hands need it to go and not subjugate the Hands into trying to accommodate the Pivot. The Pivot should Accommodate the Hands. But you can be very successful either way........
I want to be hands controlled, I don't want to screw that up, and I don't think this will...
Thanks Daryl!
Kevin
__________________
I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I think these ideas 12 Piece has explained is huge to my understanding of swinging left...
I create that perverted axis tilt YODA talked about, my right shoulder goes down with no out, and I'm stuck swinging way out to the right. No possible way to get left no matter how hard I try, and no way to get on top of the ball with my sternum.
Getting the right shoulder to go OUT along with down opens my shoulders slightly at impact, and allows me to swing back up the plane line (swing left) instead of out to the right, causing either massive blocks or the quackers.
Still excited a day later!
Kevin
Yup, we are travelers of the same road.
Very frustrating and not easy to lick.
__________________
"The only real shortcuts are more and more know how"...TGM
Count me among the perverted tilters -- kind of like an old gun fighter with that perpetually low right shoulder so I can get to my gun. No place to go but absolutely killed blocks or flipped hooks. (At least the blocks feel great and go a LONG way...)
I've actually considered going to a Trevino-like open geometry to just play a push/block and be done with it. It's saved a nine or two over the summer when everything I looked at was headed left...
Count me among the perverted tilters -- kind of like an old gun fighter with that perpetually low right shoulder so I can get to my gun. No place to go but absolutely killed blocks or flipped hooks. (At least the blocks feel great and go a LONG way...)
Really swing left or just feel like swinging left?
When it comes to physical motions, I actually come very close to doing exactly what I feel like I'm doing -- plays havoc with advice meant to sound like move a foot anticipating you'd only really move an inch. I suspect it's part of my current problem, having overcooked the "out" of down and out.
. . . Also this whole deal with the right shoulder supporting/driving or whatever we wanna call it the left arm is very much in line with Hogan's pane of glass . . . the pane of glass was NOT the swing plane . . . it was the hands being UNDERNEATH the pane which is THE PLANE THE SHOULDERS TURN ON . . . your hands were to be UNDER THE PANE (SHOULDERS) never BUST THROUGH . . . Shoulders ON TOP . . .
I cant find my 5 lessons did Hogan really equate the pane of glass to the Plane the Shoulders turn on? That pretty darn steep, I dont recollect him doing that.....That'd be steeper than Rotated wouldnt it?
One thing I gotta note: The Right Shoulder is part of the Power Package in that it takes the Power Package the Hands down the Inclined Plane in Startdown. The right shoulder Drags, the Power Package down the Inclined Plane .....towards the ball, briefly during Startdown. This move relates to "Startdown Waggles" and/or Mr Hogans demonstration of what he termed "the most important move in golf" in the Shells WW of Golf video available on this site.
For you to have your Right Shoulder take the Left Arm Down the Inclined Plane you'd have to have your Right Shoulder , Left Arm and Hands all on the Inclined Plane, no? A "Left Arm Plane" as opposed to a Turned Shoulder Plane. Which would require a zeroing of #3 Angle too wouldnt it? Moe came kinda close maybe but didnt get all the way there.
The Right Shoulder taking the Hands down plane while the Left ARm is not on plane is far more common Id say. A necessary move for those who dont want to start down with their arms or hands......"hitting from the top" as its commonly known. "Swinging from the Feet" on the other hand, as Homer referred to it, the Downstroke Sequence of 6-M-1, is classic Hogan. In fact in regard to this Sequence Homer said "now you take Hogan , THE ideal...." .
I believe Homer had Hogan in mind when it comes to the description of Drag Loading in Startdown and Swinging from the Feet.
But that isnt to say he didnt Thrust in Release ...... 4B Hit. Our own Ted Fort and Lynn Blake Hit with a Swingers Startdown , Drag then Drive. (Although they can both Drive Load 3B Hit if they want to). In the former the Right Shoulder keeps on moving , in the latter it hangs back and backstops the Thrust .....Launching Pad.
So Id personally say that if MR Hogan is hitting its after a Drag Loading , Swingers Startdown. Longitudinal is clearly evident , Active Left Wrist , Pitch Elbow so if he is Thrusting right at the bottom it with a lot of Swingers Components.
So the million dollar question then becomes ..........if he is Thrusting , Actively unbending his Right Arm in a Throwing like manner (no way is it a linear thrust ...which is a huge misconception about the Hitters Right ARm motion in Total Motion ......linear Push Basic is for Basic Motion only, maybe you could do it in Acquired too I guess). Sorry Ill start it again:
If he is Thrusting , what is he thrusting against? What pressure point? For it to be #1 he's really poorly aligned with his Pitch Elbow, isnt he? Any one ready to enter the Lab with an X Classification Throw or similar? I've got an idea but its a weird one.
And a question for definition sake. Bucket when you say "launching pad" are you using it in the classic right shoulder hangs back and provides something for the Right Arm to thrust off against , in a Drive Loading kinda manner? I for sure see Drag Loading in Startdown for Mr Hogan and I also see his Right Shoulder going right on through the shot to that classic Hogan finish. So Id say its on the move not "hanging back" . Now if your saying he is Thrusting against a "launching pad" that is also moving .......4 Barrel given his Swingers Startdown......then that I could see maybe. Maybe......but before I "blast off" on that one....let me know what you're referring to.
Could you clarify a few things for me . . . . what do you mean by "hang back" in your Drive Loading reference? Just because the right shoulder moves in and doesn't "hang back" are we to infer "4 barrels" are being employeed?
I think we could clear some of this up . . . I may be mixed up too . . .
But lets distinguish a Drag Load Startdown from a Drive Load Startdown just isolating the shoulder motion (if we can . . . maybe you can't just isolate that one piece).
Linear Mode
