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Old 03-27-2007, 04:33 AM
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How do you "sustain the LAG".....?
with a "quick starting dowm" in "swinging" (vs. "slow starting down" in "hitting")?
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
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Old 03-27-2007, 05:36 AM
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keep pulling, through impact to follow through...

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Old 03-27-2007, 08:37 AM
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with a "quick starting dowm" in "swinging" (vs. "slow starting down" in "hitting")?
Replace the clubhead with pp3. PP3 should, as Educated Hands, the resistance of the Down Stroke motion. If you lose pp3 there- you lose Lag. This is the essence of DRAG Loading.
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:51 AM
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I think Hitters feel the Lag Pressure in #3 much stronger than Swingers. As a result of the Hand Acceleration requirements I think the feels are different. The Swinger reaches his maximum hand speed MUCH sooner than the Hitter via the Spinning of the Fly Wheel the Club and the Hands are SLUNG into orbit. Any attempt to further accelerate via Right Arm Thrust conflicts with CF. According to Homer CF wants to travel at a certain speed adding acceleration is conflicting with CF and possibly overriding it. As a result I think your hands must be much more fine tuned to the Lag Pressure with Swinging as compared to Hitting. With Hitting you start slow and it is IMPERATIVE that the player ACCELERATE via Thrusting #1 agains the left thumb and Primary Lever Assembly. If you ain't Thrusted you just got dusted. As a result of the nature of the Thrusts and Hand Acceleration required for Swinging vs. Hitting, I believe that Hitters feel Lag Pressure stronger . . . and they should.

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Old 03-27-2007, 11:11 AM
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Nice post 12PB.

How is centrifugal force created? Through the pivot? Or by doing something else? Is this what Doyle means when he says the hands have to just know that the left wrist is flat, the right wrist bent and just hold on?

If the force is created by the pivot and the hands do as above, is that pivot controlled hands?

I fight over acceleration a lot, so knowing this stuff would definitely help me.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 03-27-2007, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by glcoach View Post

If the force is created by the pivot and the hands do as above, is that pivot controlled hands?
CF is the Throw- Out action of the power package. This rotor throw out power is the Swinger's launching pad. Since the shoulders are part of both the pivot and power package- they must correlate and synchronize both of them. And the Hands still control the stroke, not the turn, because the pivot must match the delivery path of the hands.
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Old 03-27-2007, 01:44 PM
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I think Hitters feel the Lag Pressure in #3 much stronger than Swingers. As a result of the Hand Acceleration requirements I think the feels are different. The Swinger reaches his maximum hand speed MUCH sooner than the Hitter via the Spinning of the Fly Wheel the Club and the Hands are SLUNG into orbit. Any attempt to further accelerate via Right Arm Thrust conflicts with CF. According to Homer CF wants to travel at a certain speed adding acceleration is conflicting with CF and possibly overriding it. As a result I think your hands must be much more fine tuned to the Lag Pressure with Swinging as compared to Hitting. With Hitting you start slow and it is IMPERATIVE that the player ACCELERATE via Thrusting #1 agains the left thumb and Primary Lever Assembly. If you ain't Thrusted you just got dusted. As a result of the nature of the Thrusts and Hand Acceleration required for Swinging vs. Hitting, I believe that Hitters feel Lag Pressure stronger . . . and they should.

If you are a Hitter, your hands here Megadeath . . . .Swinger's hands here Yani. YIKES!
I agree with you bucket,-i had that very same discussion with Jeff Hull at the school-but i have found that i feel it stronger now that i am making a better motion .Balance and rhythm are very important in my swing,it now feels much quieter in terms of motion but this has amplified the lag pressure.I guess this is the result of 'no unnessary motion ' -or my attempt get rid of my 'snares'.Thanks to Lynn, Ted and Jeff for saving my game again!
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by glcoach View Post
Nice post 12PB.

How is centrifugal force created? Through the pivot? Or by doing something else? Is this what Doyle means when he says the hands have to just know that the left wrist is flat, the right wrist bent and just hold on?

If the force is created by the pivot and the hands do as above, is that pivot controlled hands?

I fight over acceleration a lot, so knowing this stuff would definitely help me.

Thanks in advance.

This is a HUGE question of tremendous consequence. I take absolutely no credit for the following. I just happened to be talking to Drew Chapman aka Silver Surfer aka Drewitgolf when I read your post. He launched into a discussion that was truly amazing! I will paraphrase and add a bit to what he said . . . But all credit is to 1. Drew 2. Homer

Again this all goes back to the acceleration requirements . . . Let's first start by distinguishing the Hitter. The Hitter is SOLELY responsible for his Thrust and Acceleration via #1 and the Right Triceps. He MUST start down SLOW to avoid a premature shoot of the proverbial wad. If the hitter were to be "quick" he couldn't sustain the amount of acceleration and thrust required to stifle CF. So he can expend AS MUCH EFFORT AS HE LIKES through the ball. This is what makes hitting so satisfying or "delicious" as Homer says.

Now . . . As a Swinger you can't have EFFORT because you will be fighting CF and CF will fight you back. Yes it is your pivot particularly the Right Shoulder that is reponsible for the generation of CF. And the Right Shoulders motion is generated from the ground up via the Feet and Instant Hip Acceleration. The inertia of the club resisting coming forward as you begin your Pivot Downplane loads your #4, #2 and #3 Pressure Points. So it all is set up with the Pivot. But here is were the paradox is . . .

The book says "BLAST" the Left Arm of the the chest via the Right Shoulder turning into the #4 Pressure Point. OK . . . sounds good. And the Swinger's Startdown is "quick." OK . . . got that too. BUT . . . ALL LAG AND DRAG IS POSITIVE DELIBERATE AND HEAVY??? So what do this mean???

Here's the deal. The connotation of BLAST and QUICK implies (or at least to me) GREAT EFFORT HARD. No! No! No! No! Over-Acceleration is the menance that stalks all Lag and Drag right? You've surely heard that 1,000's of times. The Swinger is also victim of Over-Acceleration arguably more so than the Hitter. This is particularly so when you read the words BLAST and QUICK.

So let's put you, glcoach, at the Top. You are poised to Drag your Hands DOWN PLANE and down the Delivery Path down and through your Aiming Point. You have totally erased the Clubhead from your mind and you are Monitoring the pressure in your #4 and #3. But you think I have to BLAST and Startdown Quick . . . Well guess what? You may have just introduced that a$ Over-Acceleration to your pal #4. Not good . . .

So what does that mean to you and ole #4? Nothing good . . . according to the genius that is DREW CHAPMAN the results are potentially disasterous and as follows:

1. You are thinking EFFORT. CF don't like EFFORT. It likes SCHMOOOOOOOOVE. It wants to travel at a certain speed. You just want to crank'er up not BLAST. Just Load #4. Then you use your Pivot to stay ahead.

2. Operative word next is LET . . . You use the Pivot to just stay ahead . . . that's it. You LET LET LET your arms be SLUNG out. You LET LET LET your pivot SLING the Left Arm off your chest. You LET LET LET your Left Wrist be SLUNG out VERTICALLY Down Plane. You LET LET LET the Club be THROWN OUT . . YOU don't throw it out . . . You LET it be thrown out. But once you have introduced Over-Acceleration you are fighting CF. You have to fight hard with effort because you have conflicting forces and alignments.

3. Once you think BLAST or HARD, you are likely to lose your Waist Bend (Spine Angle). You are likely to Roundhouse. You are likely to Sway. LET the Arm be "blasted" . . . don't YOU blast it. Let it happen. Remember Lag Pressure is measured in OUNCES . . . not POUNDS. That goes for the #4 Pressure Point too.

4. Once you Overload you will also have a harder time "maintaing your angles" according to Drew. If you can Load properly and not Overload, you can drag deeper and get more Trigger Delay and a better Snap Release.

So give this a try . . . Make left hand only full practice Swings. Pay attention particularly to your #4 pressure point. Try varying the sharpness and amount that you Load it. Experiment with the feels. Next hit a ball and focus on #4. See what amount of Loading allows you to LET the club be SLUNG Downplane. What amount of Loading can you best sustain without Overloading?

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Old 03-27-2007, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf View Post
Bucket,

You are going to make my silver face blush. In all honesty, I have a good coach in Mr. Blake and Kelley.

Remember, the Fourth Power Accumulator is....Radius Power, not Velocity Power. Velocity is your Second Power Accumulator. Said Austin Powers, "Who does number two work for?"

You old sailor!!! Here's one for you though . . . Mr. K did say that the Wrist Uncocking was "simply an extension of the Lever Assembly." So don't #2 have something to do with Radius too in its travel to Full Lever Extension?
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