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OK, might be getting somewhere. So with a 13-B or 12-C Backstroke Shoulder Turn the Turned Shoulder Plane has a chance of being the same angle as say the Elbow Plane? Your saying that the quote allows for a plane shift of the rear shoulder before it starts to move directly towards impact down the preselcted Downstroke Clubshaft Plane? Is this one of those obscure moves that would never be advised for anyone? Are there any pics of say someone, at startdown, shifting their shoulder to a more upright plane than the TSP then moving the shoulder toward impact down that plane? Or at startdown shifting the shoulder down to a flatter plane than the TSP?

Don't worry, these will be my last questions on this subject. No doubt there are more important aspects of TGM that I'm yet to get a good grasp of.