[phillygolf]

Great to see you posting again, Mike

Lets clarify and be more precise about what a Swivel is.
A Swivel is a rotation of the Left Wrist from a Turned position to a Vertical position or from a Vertical position to a Turned position. The former is what we usually call “Standard Wrist Action on Downstroke”, or more commonly known as a “Release Swivel”. The latter is known as “Standard Wrist Action on Backstroke” or “Start Up Swivel".

What does “Turned” mean? Per 4-C-2, “When TURNED…the left palm faces directly toward that Plane."

Putting both these concepts together, this means the left palm is “Swiveled On Plane”, per my previous post.

So what the Start Up Swivel does is to put the Left Arm Flying Wedge On Plane, so it can remain On Plane until Release, just before the Release Swivel takes the Left Arm Flying Wedge (or the left palm) Off Plane to get into position to apply the selected Hinge Action.

With a Flat Left Wrist, the palm of the Left Hand must be On Plane for the Club to remain On Plane.

PS: photos can be deceiving!

Okay...Okay....say hello to my little friend. (just kidding).

Boy Tong, I am starting to look like I have a vendetta! I dont, trust me. I love your enthusiasm and posts.

However...once again...I respectfully disagree.

Lets clarify and be more precise about what a Swivel is.
A Swivel is a rotation of the Left Wrist from a Turned position to a Vertical position or from a Vertical position to a Turned position.

May I ask where in the book your reference is for this? The best of my knowledge is in 2-G, the 'true rotation of the hands' in impact with no relation or reference to 'turned' to 'vertical'. Moreover, Swivel is not mentioned in 4-C. 4-C are specific Wrist positions - versus 'Swivel' which is more general and not limited to specificity in that context.

The latter is known as “Standard Wrist Action on Backstroke” or “Start Up Swivel".

This isnt necessarily for you....but....can anyone show me where 'start up' swivel is in the book? Just curious. Not that its not in it - I just dont remember it, nor can I find it (yes - I have my book now!).

So what the Start Up Swivel does is to put the Left Arm Flying Wedge On Plane, so it can remain On Plane until Release, just before the Release Swivel takes the Left Arm Flying Wedge (or the left palm) Off Plane to get into position to apply the selected Hinge Action.

Disagree once more. If the entire left forearm wedge is onplane (the entire left arm) - the left shoulder must be onplane...and on the backstroke, I feel it would need to be above plane (due to no axis tilt)....

Again...not trying to nitpick, and love the posts, etc. But in a public forum, much can be mistrued. And - if I am wrong - which Lynn has pointed out on multiple occasions on TGM forum - I am all for learning!!!

Patrick