LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - The Finish Swivel Thread: The Finish Swivel View Single Post #117 05-09-2006, 09:14 PM Yoda Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 10,681 Play the Ball As It Lies Originally Posted by birdie_man But then again.... Homer is not god.... And Ben's swing, for him, produces straight shots. I just don't see how anyone could say that that is FLAT-OUT WRONG! (BLASHPEMY!!! HOMER'S ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE!!! YARRRGH!) Then again, I haven't seen these guys teach slicers how not to slice (that seems to be a big part of this whole debate, and the usefulness of this move...i.e. as a tool to educate the hands). No, Birdie, Homer Kelley was not God. But he was the author of The Golfing Machine. And my post dealt only with the Clubface Alignments detailed therein. Further, no one -- certainly not me -- said Ben's swing was "FLAT OUT WRONG." In fact, I said in the introduction to my post that the (obviously extreme) Alignments "may have been intended and for a purpose." And "teaching slicers how not to slice" was never an issue in "the debate." The issue was the Hinge Action and Swivel Alignments as defined in The Golfing Machine. And even if there was such an issue, are we to believe that Ben is a Slicer in need of help? Please. In fact, there has been no debate -- on the issue -- at all. I stated emphatically that the alignments demonstrated in this particular Stroke were NOT those dictated in Paragraph 2-G of The Golfing Machine. The Clubface was not maintained Vertical to an Associated Plane (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) for any meaningful time through Impact, and it was Swiveled well past the On Plane Alignment early into the Finish. I supported my post with factual references to the text. There has been no argument as to these alignments. __________________ Yoda Yoda View Public Profile Send a private message to Yoda Visit Yoda's homepage! Find all posts by Yoda