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maybe someone other than myself should answer this post.personally i think it those swings are pretty darn good.can someone help me out here

Thanks to John & Rob for the selfless contribution and congrats to John on the new addition.

Several comments / ?? after viewing the slow motion 8,6,Driver. These comments are not derogatory in any sense - looks like a great motion to me.

1. LH Grip appears slightly 'strong' and hands are not mid body, more mid left thigh - definite 'shaft lean' with the irons and a touch with the driver. Could some of this be camera angle?

A very solid left hand position. One that more people should use IMO. Looks to my eye to be turned approx 45 degrees to the plane line, and where the left hand would hang (and thus return) naturally for most.

2. Not to get into the tripod center debate, but JR has a nice 'steady / still ' head, but look positioned at address to be slightly right of middle of stance - again, camera angle?

Looks pretty solid to me, and quite near impact location.

3. Is JR a hitter or swinger? His late 'roll' to lay the club face on the plane suggests a hitter. Definite HH past the follow thru suggests swinger.

Indeed, an interesting question. Looks more hitter than swinger in some ways yes.

4. I detect a modest amount of float loading at top - notice how wide and away from his body is right elbow is on the face on view thru most of the backswing - then how close is elbow is to his side as he reaches "end". Is the loading action driven by the transition of the hips, or by solely the motion of increasing his right elbow bend?

As long as there is pivot lag, float loading is a sign of good tempo IMO and while there is less obvious hip motion than some, it has to be in the lead to maintain good lag pressure. From the sound of that impact.... definite lag pressure


5. I have a slightly strong LH -similar to JR. At the 2/3 point in the backswing, John has the clubface exactly at the same angle as his spine (slightly closed in current instruction terms). From this postion, he gets the clubface nicely laying on the plane and end. Mine is always still 'closed'. Does John make a concious effort to roll the face onto the plane during the last 1/3 of the backswing, or does it happen naturally?

A big key is to learn to 'allow' rotation. Hard to do because most who 'try' to rotate, over rotate, and most who 'try' not to rotate, keep it too closed. Getting on plane will really help this issue by leaps and bounds. If you are on plane it is significantly simpler to 'allow' rotation.

6. The 8 & 6 move perfectly up the plane, the driver slightly inside / under at start up. Looks to me like John getting to the turned shoulder plane as quickly as possible and then using this plane as close as possible in the downswing.

I'd say quite near a zero shift on a lot of those swings in my view. Love how solidly up/down the plane the hands move. Wonderful to see!


Thanks again to John and Rob - great stuff. Any and all comments and answers to the above welcome - I can even take some heavy criticism of my comments if warrented.

Indeed - great stuff guys! Thank you for putting that together and posting it. Should be a lot of fog lifting and light bulbs going on with those

Bruce

I'll give it a shot.... comments in blue above