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Hi VJ,

Homer Kelley did indeed prefer the Delayed Hip Turn. Despite the popularity of the Standard Action for centuries, he saw "absolutely no reason" for the Hips to lead the Shoulders in the Backstroke.

Regarding measuring the Turn -- or anything else in the Golf Stroke for that matter -- in degrees, he was dismissive. His geometrical relationships were meant for the Golf Course, not for the laboratory. For example: Flat, Level, Vertical, Straight Line and On Plane. These alignments lend themselves to visual confirmation and can be produced within acceptable tolerances (if not exactly).

So, it is not surprising that we do not find any 'degree' measurement or recommendation in his work. His only guideline would be this:

If something does not have to move, don't move it.

And the Right Hip need move only enough on the Backstroke to (1) clear a path for the Right Elbow and (2) place the Right Shoulder On Plane. As you have noted, those requirements will differ from player to player and, also, from Stroke to Stroke.

Which brings us full circle to why Homer didn't measure in degrees.

Breaker 1-9 . . .

HEMP oh sorry HIP MOTION

7-14 HIP TURN The Hip Turn as a Stroke Component is strictly the product of the Knee Bend and the Waist Bend. Not otherwise could the weight be shifted and the Shoulder Turn Axis be tilted without moving the Head. A Hula Hula flexibility allows the Hips and Shoulders to be independent but coordinate and so avoid Right Elbow – and – Hip interference and its “Roundhousing” Throwaway (4-D-0) during the Start Down – the Delivery Line ROLL PREPARATION (12-3-22).

Except for its being, in itself, the Weight Shift, the Hip Turn is a motion permitting – rather than causing – the other effects, actions and motions of the Pivot. Weight Shift is strictly a HIP MOTION. Substituting a Head Motion and/or Knee Motion will make Swaying inevitable.

The Hip Turn can be used to control or modify Hip Action Variations and prevent Zone #1 (9-1) exaggerations. See 2-N and 7-16.

Could somebody speak to the above? Do you think that Standard Hip action could prevent Roundhousing as a result of the hips LEADING the shoulders on the Backstroke and vicey versey on the Downstroke. Thus the Lag of the Shoulders (Pivot Train) is present in BOTH the Backstroke and Downstroke. So the Hips leading set up the Right Shoulder going downplane instead of out via Axis Tilt? Maybe? Huh? What?