[danny_shank]

Cool tip Burner i think i'll try that.

Thanks for all your help Bagger. I think it's one of those things that is easy to understand if explained in person but can be a nightmare on the internet.

Just one quick check. So the visual line you aim at is on the ground. It may or may not be the low point plane line, in fact in most cases (with irons) it won't, it will be further up plane. Is this correct?

Cheers Danny