[12 piece bucket]

12PB

Thank you for offering me advice.

I understand why you are offering me that advice. A bigger hip turn in the backswing allows one to get the hands deeper and further back in the backswing. I have tried that maneuver. It does help me get my hands slightly deeper and that's advantageous.

However, I have zero hula hula flexibility, and if I over-rotate the pelvis during the backswing, then I have to perform a greater amount of rotary pelvic movement during the hip squaring phase of the downswing, and that really throws my right shoulder into a roundhousing action that causes me to come wildly OTT (due to my lack of hula hula flexibility).

Jeff.

Boss . . . . That don't make sense . . . . when you DON'T rotate your hips what do you do? Looks like if you don't turn your hips and you spin then you would even MORE wildly swing your hands over the top. The hip turn would give you more "lattitude" to spin because you have more "range" to cover before you hands get too far out to be actually over plane. There's a difference between over the top and swing over your backstroke. Most players hands go over where they did in the backstroke.

Try this . . . . make a bigger hip turn and DON'T TURN AT ALL . . . just go FORWARD and release #4. Not to get this debate going . . . but it sounds like you have no trouble spinning . . . so go forward and swing your arms down (sorta like Tomasello).

Not releasing #4 and spinning is a big recipe for shooting the hands off the plane. Your hand have to go DOWN THE FACE of the plane . . . .a big piece of that is releasing #4 (master accumulator and all) . . . that with tilting your axis.

I think you got hula hula way mixed up . . . . can you stand up straight and scratch your right thigh below you pants pocket?