[bambam]

I may be a little muddled. I'm working off the premise that club face = starting direction and path relative to the club face = curvature. So, if I want to put any side spin on the ball.

Draw: face is aligned at the target. Plane line is angled ever so slightly to the right of the face and in this case the target line. Stance is square to my diveregent-right plane line, or closed to the target line. Ball starts straight and moves a few yards right to left...landing left of the target line. Of course I can aim it so that it lands right at the flag.

Fade: Face is aligned at the target. Plane line ever so slightly to the left of the face and in this case the target line. Stance is square to my divergent-left plane line, or open to the targt line. Ball starts straight and moves a few yards right of the original target line.

I also hit deliberate pushes and pulls, even push-draws and pull-cuts, but the less divergence the better. Am I on meth, or what? If I am, Bucket is to blame!

Face = starting direction Path = curvature, right? So, I can hit it super low if I hit a controlled pulled shot...Easy to aim seeings that it has no side spin on it (also good for wind.) I know Golfgnome's method of gearing the lag pressure down is best...I guess I am not quite at that level...I'll keep trying though. Plenty of opportunity on the Great plains! I am eager to know if I have missed something.

In your original post, I was a little confused when you said you trace a plane line that is perpendicular to your club face. If the clubface is pointed at the target, then you'd be tracing a line parallel to the target line.

Curvature caused by tracing a line that is right or left of the target line makes sense.

Then I think what you're also saying for the push/pull thing is that you rotate the machine but trace a plane line that is parallel to the target line to create a straight shot (face and path match). If the machine is rotated right, tracing the straight away plane line would feel like a pull and more like a push if rotated left. I've never tried that but it also makes sense to me.