[KevCarter]

yeah i agree watson is talking about 10-13-c rotated shoulder turn. this is the shoulder turn I use in my pattern ever since Mac ogrady showed me this he has been using this component since 1984 if anyone has ever seen that first morad tape in 1986 he goes through a eplanation ofi t similar to watsons.

bantamben,

I find that very interesting. Since discovering the change from Standard to Rotated in both basic hitting and swinging in the 7th edition from the 6th, I have been wondering about the merits. I wonder if that is a change Mr. Kelley would have agreed with? It seems most experts I have been reading teach 10-13-A, or maybe thats just my perception?

Personally, I like the "feel" of 10-13-C, but don't fully understand the implications of using either... so much to learn!

Kevin