Oh? So it is ok that I can't really hit my drive 300 yards?
So when Mr. Williams says to just turn your body through his "non-arm, non-vertical, body only swing," does he really mean that or is he doing something else that his engineering training simply does not allow him to articulate without reference to a calculator or slide rule? Every gift has its limits and genius is notoriously short-winded. (Yes, that is why I ask so many dumb questions!)
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Yes Hitting for sure. He's advocating a Push Basic type inline right arm extension which is "a" way, a good way in fact. BUT, best reserved for short shots. See the Minor Basic Strokes. For longer shots you need right arm Fanning as well as the Bending, without it you will miss the UP of Back ,Up and In , Three Dimensional takeaway. Leaving you with Back and In only. Normally an off plane, under plane motion for Pivot strokes.
So he is probably right about instructors not liking it too much and I doubt it would really would take 20 strokes off your score overnight. That would be nice though.
PS If you watch his swing, on his waggle he takes it back way under the plane, less so when actually hitting but he does have to loop it back onto the plane in his downswing to make contact. Basically it sounds simple , it is simple but you cant add a pivot to that right arm Motion without going to far IN as the right shoulder will pull things IN as well. If that works for full shots without looping it back onto the plane, then the whole idea of the plane for golf is out the window.
I do like the Tally though.
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Would an off-line stroke help someone with a shorter front leg, perhaps?
Since my front leg is 1.5" shorter? My first TGM lesson is April 4th, btw!
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Yes Hitting for sure. He's advocating a Push Basic type inline right arm extension which is "a" way, a good way in fact. BUT, best reserved for short shots. See the Minor Basic Strokes. For longer shots you need right arm Fanning as well as the Bending, without it you will miss the UP of Back ,Up and In , Three Dimensional takeaway. Leaving you with Back and In only. Normally an off plane, under plane motion for Pivot strokes.
So he is probably right about instructors not liking it too much and I doubt it would really would take 20 strokes off your score overnight. That would be nice though.
PS If you watch his swing, on his waggle he takes it back way under the plane, less so when actually hitting but he does have to loop it back onto the plane in his downswing to make contact. Basically it sounds simple , it is simple but you cant add a pivot to that right arm Motion without going to far IN as the right shoulder will pull things IN as well. If that works for full shots without looping it back onto the plane, then the whole idea of the plane for golf is out the window.
I do like the Tally though.
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Am I correct in observing Mr. Blake making the slightest weight shift?
It looks like his lower body only serves the upper body turn to the hitting position. And then, most of the focus is on the down, out and through swing.
Is it supposed to be that simple-looking?
How ironic that the meticulous observations of Mr. Kelly are in the service of such a simple-looking motion. Now, if I can just imitate that motion!
As a teacher, I am reminded that artists in middle ages were employed by physicians to dig-up the dead, expose diseased organs by removing skin, and carefully sketch muscles, tissue, ligaments and diseased organs in order to create medical textbooks. All the while, the participants risked arrest and the wrath of the local church for desecration of the dead.
Originally Posted by KevCarter
O.B.
I may be wrong, but I have not thought of it as a paradox at all. I think of it as mandatory if we want to comply with the plane after impact.
Per 4-D-O
Perhaps I am taking it a little out of context, but I have always been of the opinion this is in line with YODA's teaching, and I feel it is very apparent in his swing.
Sorry for posting this picture as a reference so often, but I enjoy it as my model. (I wish...)
Kevin
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So when Mr. Williams says to just turn your body through his "non-arm, non-vertical, body only swing," does he really mean that or is he doing something else that his engineering training simply does not allow him to articulate without reference to a calculator or slide rule? Every gift has its limits and genius is notoriously short-winded. (Yes, that is why I ask so many dumb questions!)
Hey there ict, welcome.
The only video of his Ive ever seen is the one right here in post 1, where he alludes to but doenst show a pure body power only shot, I think. If I understand your question correctly.
I've been waiting for a guy like you around here, Ict! You see, I mostly do stupid answers. We could really go places together, you and I!. Keep em coming.
Regards
Ob
PS I dont think Ive ever seen a body only powered full swing. My daughter when she was about 4 years old came the closest maybe. But even she raised that plastic club up some with her arms. Kind of. You could do it with a short shot. When putting its pretty common to move the shoulders only for instance. Chipping is maybe Arms only most times. Arnie used to use a Hands only putting style. If you have the book, read up on the Minor Basic Strokes and the Major Basic Strokes and there differences. His Taly is great but Id say he's attributing what we'd refer to as Minor Basic Strokes, (for short shots only) to full powered shots where Zone 1, (the Body) , Zone 2 ( Arms) and Zone 3 ( Hands) all get involved. Ah crap I was trying to keep this "short winded" and screwed up.
So when Mr. Williams says to just turn your body through his "non-arm, non-vertical, body only swing," does he really mean that or is he doing something else that his engineering training simply does not allow him to articulate without reference to a calculator or slide rule? Every gift has its limits andgenius is notoriously short-winded. (Yes, that is why I ask so many dumb questions!)
It looks like his lower body only serves the upper body turn to the hitting position. And then, most of the focus is on the down, out and through swing.
Is it supposed to be that simple-looking ?
How ironic that the meticulous observations of Mr. Kelly are in the service of such a simple-looking motion. Now, if I can just imitate that motion!
As a teacher, I am reminded that artists in middle ages were employed by physicians to dig-up the dead, expose diseased organs by removing skin, and carefully sketch muscles, tissue, ligaments and diseased organs in order to create medical textbooks. All the while, the participants risked arrest and the wrath of the local church for desecration of the dead.
We are supposed to get to 54 degrees in Philly this week. I am going to a range, put my right arm on plane, tilt slightly to my right, pretend I am Moe Norman or
or YODA, brace like a rock and hit the hell out of several buckets of balls!
I will use the smallest possible pivot then, when my right elbow is close to my right hip, I will fire my right arm or pull it making sure to let my left hand swivel horizontally and compress those dead balls like crazy!
I will make mistakes and report!
Patrick
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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