[brownman]

Thanks Drew,I never saw your post before I went for hit.
What I did today that was different from the norm,was to keep R elbow tucked in a bit more,ala Ben H,that change in itself brought on a complete different "feel",it felt so much more compact and the big thing I found was my hands were more in front of my torso,and I was able to get into the release pos easier.
That was early this morn,I have to do some work now,but will try it deeper later.....Again thanks...