[Mike O]

HB Quote: "I have said #1 does not exist. The "true swinger" alignments are a SPECIAL CASE of manipulative hands."

As I understand it. The "true" swinger is defined where clubface alignment is automatic via CF and is confined to a single impact alignment by the physics of CF for streight-away flight. I (my points in this discussion not TGM)see it as a alignment that doesn't require manipulation (special) but still is Flat Left Hand clubface control.

Your view - as you stated clearly above is that in a true swinging procedure (as you correctly identified it per TGM) you see it as a clubface alignment that is under the control of the flat left wrist through impact but doesn't require manipulation - now if I quoted you correctly (with my additional words for clarification in Orange) then that wouldn't appear to me to make any sense if you used my definition of "manipulation". Your feedback is invited

My definition: "Hand Manipulation requires one to identify the lead hand condition (For example Flat, Level and Vertical)and the corresponding clubface alignment intended for impact via impact fix AND then if one has some intent, focus, awareness to return to that lead hand location to control the clubface alignment at impact"