[lagster]

Quote:"Furyk is actually nearly in the PUSH position at the 9-2-9 position.

I've noticed that several players appear to be in a Punch or similar position when viewed from down the line, but still have a big #2 Accumulator and good impact conditions when viewed from the face on view. Davis Love and Byron Nelson, for example. What are your views on this?

I still think Furyk is using a Reverse Shift, Angled Hinging, and has a kind of "gravity assisted rotary whip-sling", more a form of a Swing than a Hit, although he does have some characteristics of a Hitter. Sometimes the Hitter vs. Swinger is difficult to identify. Mr. Doyle, I think, calls them "classy hitters".

I think this is an interesting, and hopefully uncontentious topic!!:UnQuote"

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Lagster,
In regards to Furyk being in a push position at release (the first line of your post):
I don't really analyze golf movements of pros but my knee jerk reaction from a limited memory of Furyk's swing: that with his hands at address so close to his body- the Push elbow position would be the only one that would allow him to to have his right elbow not collide with the right hip on the downswing- or put another way- would be the only elbow position that would not create "round-housing" i.e. an over the top move. He would be a fine example of the myriad of patterns available to the player - that the Golfing Machine allows for, and it would be my opinion that no particular component (including elbow location 10-3) would mandate/limit a player to be a hitter or swinger.

I wasn't clear on exactly what you were describing in the rest of your post, and therefore what question you were asking.

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MikeO,

I think your analyis of Furyk is excellent!

What I am talking about in the other part of the post has to do with face on vs. down the line views. I have notice several players have the elbow in a Punch like position at Release--down the line view, but from face on still have the alignments one might expect to see in a player that gets into a deep Pitch position-- big #2 Accumulator lag, and a forward leaning shaft at impact. Byron Nelson and Davis Love are two players like that.