How many on here can actually Feel a rotating lag pressure point? Please - everyone respond.
Thanks.
And got this:
Originally Posted by EdZ
The startup swivel and 'end' are the two key areas IMO.
Why startup swivel??? I can understand end.
Originally Posted by tongzilla
After what has been discussed, I think the keys to this 'top of the shaft loading feel' is:
Drag Loading
Standard Wrist Action on Downstroke
The reason I didn't include Startup Swivel (or Standard Wrist Action on Backstroke) and End Assembly Point is because they are not mandatory for this quater turn feel in loading pressure, even though they are very compatible.
I assume by 'top of shaft loading feel' you mean rotating lag pressure point. Agree with drag. Why only list standard???
Why startup swivel???? What does that have to do with RLPP (rotating...lag..)???
Originally Posted by birdie_man
I know that everything is rotating...but I personally don't really feel it (or sense it consciously) in PP3....I would think that I sense the rotation more in my left arm, left hand, and left wrist (left wrist = clubface). I use PP3 mostly to trace the plane line (if I'm using RFT) and I guess more subconsciously to sustain lag.
BTW, I thought left hand was clubFACE, right hand (which includes PP3) was clubHEAD?
First, I agree. I dont feel it either. But then again, I have way way too many moving parts!!!!!!!
Secondly, you are correct - lefthand=clubface, right hand=clubhead as Lynn puts it together below..
Originally Posted by Yoda
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Same questions!
Why only list standard???
Why startup swivel???? What does that have to do with RLPP (rotating...lag..)???
With Standard Wrist Action the Left Wrist Turns and the Right Forearm FANS. The #3 Pressure Point will go along with this movement. I think the #3 Pressure Point Rotation Mr. Kelley talks about(10-11-O-3) is at the End(Swinging).
The question I had is if the #3 moves to the Top of the shaft...what CAUSES the pressure point to get back to behind the shaft(on plane), manipulation or centrifugal force? I realize that SOME Swingers keep it in the Weak (on top) position after it rotates at the END, but I think it is better if it goes back to the ON PLANE position at some point before IMPACT.
With Standard Wrist Action the Left Wrist Turns and the Right Forearm FANS. The #3 Pressure Point will go along with this movement. I think the #3 Pressure Point Rotation Mr. Kelley talks about(10-11-O-3) is at the End(Swinging).
The question I had is if the #3 moves to the Top of the shaft...what CAUSES the pressure point to get back to behind the shaft(on plane), manipulation or centrifugal force? I realize that SOME Swingers keep it in the Weak (on top) position after it rotates at the END, but I think it is better if it goes back to the ON PLANE position at some point before IMPACT.
Like I said in my previous posts, the feel of Pressure Point #3 rotating is not really to do with Standard Wrist Action on Backstroke, or the End location of Assembly Point.
Pressure Point #3 doesn't actually physically move to the top of the shaft -- it's a feeling.
PP #3 moves back to its aft position because of the Release Swivel. There should be a Strong Single Action grip throughout the stroke.
Start up Swivel changes the shaft to sweetspot rotation which may or may not have a direct relationship to the 1/4 Turn loading direction rather than an actual turn at the Top/End...
I could be wrong? I would welcome correction if needed!!!
To me Swivel is more of a shaft/sweetspot thing than exclusively a clubface thing...
The clubface thing is subject to the "Hinge Action." Executing Impact as a swivel leads to erratic clubface alignments/motions
Pressure Point #3 moves(on it's own) to the top of the shaft when the club goes to the END, with Swinging. You don't have to manually rotate it. Some keep it there, in the weak position, and some have it return to the aft(ON PLANE) position on the downswing before IMPACT.
IF... a Hitter rotates to the WEAK position... he will ususlly have problems. He needs to keep that #3 AFT, where it can be in a PUSHING position.
When using a startup swivel, CF on the backswing can load lag pressure along the joint/pad next to PP#3. Not a 'real' pressure point, but one that can be felt when using startup swivel. This can be a little 'extra' help for maintaining extensor action - using CF - rather than using only right arm.
The feeling of the 'wheels rim'
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With Standard Wrist Action the Left Wrist Turns and the Right Forearm FANS. The #3 Pressure Point will go along with this movement. I think the #3 Pressure Point Rotation Mr. Kelley talks about(10-11-O-3) is at the End(Swinging).
Lagster...
Only with 10-18-A???
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Philly,
Start up Swivel changes the shaft to sweetspot rotation which may or may not have a direct relationship to the 1/4 Turn loading direction rather than an actual turn at the Top/End...
I could be wrong? I would welcome correction if needed!!!
To me Swivel is more of a shaft/sweetspot thing than exclusively a clubface thing...
the clubface thing is subject to the "Hinge Action" Executing Impact as a swivel leads to erratic clubface alignments/motions
Yoda....Am I on to it or NOT????
Annikan
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Doesnt um....different wrist actions wind up with the same top position???
Originally Posted by lagster
some have it return to the aft(ON PLANE) position on the downswing before IMPACT.
How?
Originally Posted by tongzilla
There should be a Strong Single Action grip throughout the stroke.
So....
Freddy with his 10-2-D doesnt have a rotating lag pressure point????
Start up Swivel changes the shaft to sweetspot rotation which may or may not have a direct relationship to the 1/4 Turn loading direction rather than an actual turn at the Top/End...
I could be wrong? I would welcome correction if needed!!!
To me Swivel is more of a shaft/sweetspot thing than exclusively a clubface thing...
The clubface thing is subject to the "Hinge Action." Executing Impact as a swivel leads to erratic clubface alignments/motions.
Yoda...Are you sure I'm onto it???...just when I think I am ..I'm NOT...when I think I'm NOT...I actually AM !!!! Make sense...such is the "mystery of incubation"...
Yoda...Are you sure I'm onto it???...just when I think I am ..I'm NOT...when I think I'm NOT...I actually AM !!!! Make sense...such is the "mystery of incubation"...
Thanks for any validation...
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I was talking to Philly just the other night , and my point was, it's all about pressure points and the LCG. Forget flat clubface surfaces and imagine cue through cue ball-to-billiard ball compressions and reactions.
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