You mean my right forearm isn’t really magic – it was all smoke and mirrors???
Your point about the right elbow (and its implications for the right forearm) seems massive to me. I had thought that the right forearm was to trace the baseline of the plane back and through, but if the right elbow is only on plane at impact, this is impossible! Instead the right forearm must trace an outside path (outside going back, out to in coming through the ball). At least with a zero shift...
Is the ‘magic’ of the right forearm then, only that it shows from impact fix the exact up and down motion the hands/clubhead need to take – that is, is it merely a good visual analogue of the plane and the delivery path of the hands?
Chris
Chris, A few thoughts:
First, It's never been my approach in posting in regards to the golfing machine- to point out my personal differences of opinion or my uncertainty regarding some of the concepts. My approach has been to share what I know - to help others better understand this great piece of work- The Golfing Machine. So, I "recklessly" posted my personal hunch on this right forearm on plane issue- when I would have preferred to leave it alone. If others would be interested in posting some photo's and bantering this topic- I'd be interested to see what they have to say- but I'd be more interested in listening to their comments than picking or proving one particular side.
Secondily, Let's say that the right forearm is only on plane at impact (not saying that it isn't or couldn't be on plane earlier or later) but as you noted - if it is on-plane only at impact then while tracing the plane line with the forearm may not be a requirement or a useful tool - nothing much else besides the tracing right forearm necessarily changes. For example if you read 7-3 (Magic Right Forearm) not one issue would change.
Finally, I think to determine in what manner the right forearm works through the release period- that it would be helpful to look at other sports such as tennis and javelin and including golf- to determine the proper right forearm movement through the release period and impact(tennis) and the letting go point with the javelin, in comparison to the plane of motion of each movement.
In Summary I don't think it's that big of a loss of innocence IF the right forearm didn't trace the plane line, BUT I understand your emotion- I've been there many times with this book.
Homer:
"After a 13-B or 12-C Backstroke Shoulder Turn, the Right Shoulder moves toward Impact precisely on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane, establishing and supporting the Power Package Delivery alignments."
Nevermind
I can't see how any type of shoulder turn would allow the right shoulder to move toward impact precisely on any plane but the Turned Shoulder Plane
Tongzilla
Yes, you've got it!
Nevermind
How do you reconcile that with the Homer quote?
Again, considering the starting point is always the Turned Shoulder Plane, how can the rear shoulder be moving on a TGM defined plane at startdown unless it is the Turned Shoulder Plane?
Again, considering the starting point is always the Turned Shoulder Plane, how can the rear shoulder be moving on a TGM defined plane at startdown unless it is the Turned Shoulder Plane?
Like you said it starts at the TSP. There are many plane angles that can go through the same point. Some players move their right shoulder to a steeper plane immediately at startdown -- i.e. above the TSP.
OK, might be getting somewhere. So with a 13-B or 12-C Backstroke Shoulder Turn the Turned Shoulder Plane has a chance of being the same angle as say the Elbow Plane? Your saying that the quote allows for a plane shift of the rear shoulder before it starts to move directly towards impact down the preselcted Downstroke Clubshaft Plane? Is this one of those obscure moves that would never be advised for anyone? Are there any pics of say someone, at startdown, shifting their shoulder to a more upright plane than the TSP then moving the shoulder toward impact down that plane? Or at startdown shifting the shoulder down to a flatter plane than the TSP?
Don't worry, these will be my last questions on this subject. No doubt there are more important aspects of TGM that I'm yet to get a good grasp of.
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