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Old 02-26-2007, 08:28 PM
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MAx trigger delay and short game
Many of the great ball strikers achieved max distance from relatively small stature/ slim build by using snap release and max trigger delay.

Think of Hogan, Sergio and CHIII. Hogan was reknowned for his wedge play but how many of the modern day "lag-meisters" are known for wedge play / short game?

Dave Pelzs research did seem to demonstrate that the players with best full swings often did not have best game between 30-100 yards. Is that because they were used to loading too much lag pressure and snap release? Is a sweep release a better option for subtle distance control? NB. I know that anything is possible but the fact that the guys with big lag have generally poorer pitching games suggests that it might be a challenge to become an accomplished wedge player using their lag-dominant techniques( Nicklaus was notably poor pitcher by comparison with his overall ballstriking)?

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Old 02-26-2007, 10:27 PM
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very intriguing questions . . .

As far as Nicklaus is concerned I think his relatively poor pitching had a lot to do with how upright his technique was.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 02-27-2007, 12:22 AM
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Jack Nicklaus's lack of a short game is greatly overexaggerated...in his early 40's he turned to Phil Rodgers for help in this area of his game which by his own admission (& high standards) was not the strongest part of his game because he had rarely needed it prior to this point of his career. I would love to know what his GIR were over the course of his career...a stat that I could not find...but I would imagine was remarkable...I don't think he missed many greens during the peak of his career. As far as putting ...he didn't miss very many when they counted.

I found this which I thought was pretty cool.
http://nicklaus.com/nicklaus_facts/facts.pdf
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Old 02-27-2007, 02:22 AM
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Look at it the other way round...
Who are the best with wedges.... are they random sweepers? I don't know ... just thinking at moment...
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Old 02-27-2007, 09:24 AM
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Let's start off making a list of the best wedge players . . .

Tom Watson
Tom Kite
Corey Pavin
Seve Ballesteros
Hubert Green
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Let's start off making a list of the best wedge players . . .

Tom Watson
Tom Kite
Corey Pavin
Seve Ballesteros
Hubert Green
Trevino
Hogan
Annika
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Trevino
Hogan
Annika
Olazabal
Garcia
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Old 02-27-2007, 11:52 AM
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Let's start off making a list of the best wedge players . . .

Tom Watson
Tom Kite
Corey Pavin
Seve Ballesteros
Hubert Green
Venturi too...


All have a very solid pivot motion/knee motion in common, even on short chips.

Controling distance with the hands and chest staying in synch, not with only arm swing.
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Old 02-27-2007, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
Venturi too...


All have a very solid pivot motion/knee motion in common, even on short chips.

Controling distance with the hands and chest staying in synch, not with only arm swing.
I think Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods are pretty solid wedgeplayers, but I guess that's obvious.
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Who are the best with wedges.... are they random sweepers? I don't know ... just thinking at moment...
From about a 100 yds or so... HIT

Short gamers may prefer a Hit Stroke with at least hands at Impact Postion. With a short take back, there may be least time to set the Flying Wedges. From Impact Position they are set to go. With a driving right arm and pivot, I get a "no release' release feel.

It is important to know what the hands are doing. Will they roll back to square or will the pivot square the face? If you hit the hostel too often, you are failing to pivot.
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