Maybe it depends on what you're pushing. What I mean is, if you're pushing against pp1 (as a swinger) instead of the club, then aren't you just further accelerating the left arm, and thus still swinging via cf? In that case, you aren't accelerating the club both radially and in a linear fashion simultaneously, even if you feel a pull and push simultaneously, right?? I believe someone posted something to that effect here before, but I'm not sure.
Maybe it depends on what you're pushing. What I mean is, if you're pushing against pp1 (as a swinger) instead of the club, then aren't you just further accelerating the left arm, and thus still swinging via cf? In that case, you aren't accelerating the club both radially and in a linear fashion simultaneously, even if you feel a pull and push simultaneously, right?? I believe someone posted something to that effect here before, but I'm not sure.
Just because the Right Arm is straightening thru the shot- it doesn't mean that you are using an active #1 Acc and pushing the club as you 'throw-out' the clubhead. You can not NOT have a right arm not drive, even a passive one.
I think a 4barrel Swing is the FEEL of flipping the right hand perfectly at impact. Very controlled throw-Away. And we know the tour guys are masters at throw-Away. We aren't close.
Just because the Right Arm is straightening thru the shot- it doesn't mean that you are using an active #1 Acc and pushing the club as you 'throw-out' the clubhead. You can not NOT have a right arm not drive, even a passive one.
I think a 4barrel Swing is the FEEL of flipping the right hand perfectly at impact. Very controlled throw-Away. And we know the tour guys are masters at throw-Away. We aren't close.
But surely if you are feeling pp#1 you are pushing to the point of overiding CF force?
But surely if you are feeling pp#1 you are pushing to the point of overiding CF force?
I don't think so. You throw the clubhead in an whirl/arc. 1#pp is driving the shaft which can still have a clubhead whirling. Perhaps not the most efficient throw-out but not one that is not overriding CF if CF is still the top dog top dog delivery system.
Question? Can you AFTER all the accumulators are released by a Swinger- uncock and transfered- can you push the shaft with the remaining bend of the right elbow? Is that just a normal right arm straightening or a deliberate pushing action?
I don't think you would want to actively "drive" #1 after 4, 2, and 3 have been released. The resistance to deceleration is set up with Extensor Action pressure and remains constant throughout the stroke. As the accumulators release and momentum is transferred toward the clubhead, the heaviness and hand slow down is resisted by Active Extensor Action. It feels like pushing and in some sense, it literally is pushing in order to keep the hand speed constant. In that sense, it's a 4,1,2,3 release sequence with all accumulators still active at impact, but you are still dragging the clubhead.
An analogy might be a wet mop that is going to go through a sticky spot on the floor. You resist the deceleration with the heel of the right hand against the handle.
Most of the accumulators are not spent until after impact anyway, even though they release prior to impact. They stay inline and active into followthrough and beyond. PP1 continues driving to both arms straight, PP2 moves from level to uncocked, PP3 moves continues to roll horizontal to the plane, and pp#4 continues pulling with pivot motion.
The point I was trying to make is that the hands and clubhead decelerate as the accumulators release and the clubhead/ball collide. The 5th edtion of 2-K has some good detail that was lost in the newer editions. If you believe that the hands keep a constant speed on the endless belt for swinging, the best way to make sure this happens is to resist the slowing down of the hands as the accumulators release. PP#1 is all you have to resist decleration and as Homer said, it can add distance for the swinger...
But that implies you know how much pressure to apply before to the moment of truth. For most of us mortal golfers, all of this isn't necessary but it can be helpful at the TOUR level. The problem is that it is so close to turning into a HIT through impact, that it isn't worth it unless you really have it grooved.
Yoda or our other experts can step in anytime now as I've just about hit the knowlege limit on the 4B swing, pull/push discussion.
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I don't know. I am missing your point- sorry. Very long day at work- not done yet. Still the dumb hammer in the box.
With Swinging, I just Fly my Wedges, pull with the left and let the right arm straighten to an aiming point as the accumulators cascade downward . My right arm folds and unfolds- its inert. I don't think much about swinging it. My only thought is to get both arms straight after Low Point and finish. Pull-Uncock-Transfer-Hinge-both arms straight-End.
Hitting I don't Fly my Wedges as much as I smash them into the ball to straight arms past Low Point. Right Arm does the same thing- folds and unfolds and straightens. The Aiming Point is different as the whole club- shaft and head dumps all the accumulators with it at once.
Impact looks the same- Wedges Intact.
Question? Can you AFTER all the accumulators are released by a Swinger- uncock and transfered- can you push the shaft with the remaining bend of the right elbow? Is that just a normal right arm straightening or a deliberate pushing action?
I believe it is extensor action -as opposed to a out and out drive of the right arm,as per hitting.
I would best describe my right arm as "aware" rather than "active".
As someone who had a real problem being over aggressive and using quite a lot of 'hit' in my swing,i have done a lot of work on trying too eliminate the right arm ,other than RFT and extensor action and focus on snap release and finish swivel.And of course PP#3
... 1#pp is driving the shaft which can still have a clubhead whirling...
This is kind of what I was trying to get at, although I assumed that, because of its location, pp1 wouldn't be driving the shaft; it woud be driving the left hand(?)
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