Dude- put the mop head on the floor. It is the feel of dragging a mop on a floor to feel lag pressure- not holding it outward in a carry. Resisting the change in inertia.
All lag pressure is from change of direction- even 'throwing’- it is a swingers load of the wrist cock. Then it changes direction- and like a crash test dummy wanting to go through the car window- that #3pp resists the downward pull against the shaft- LAG PRESSURE is born. Come on guy! I’m not bullsheeting you.
Second- your Hands are monitoring too many wrong things. They do not monitor the pivot – they are NO pivot components in section eight or in 12-3-0 for that very reason.
“You could move the right hip without dictation from the hands. But per 5-0 this would be pivot controlled hands. As stated in the book, this method will work, but you risk precision.” I give up.
My Hands trained the hip to move- as I said -the Hands do not need to micro-manage or monitor the pivot. Train it and move on. Let the Hands monitor what is important- the Plane line, Hand Path, its Pressure Points, an Aiming Point, Roll line Prep, etc- go read the checklist, 12-3-0, 45 things to monitor- not one is the pivot.
Hands do not monitor the pivot. They monitor their primary task.
No grip is loose- nor restrictive. My point that you failed to see was that you can clutch or squeeze as hard as you want and it will NOT produce Lag pressure. None what so ever.
Nice one Mike.I didn't have time to get into detail earlier but you summed it up in your own inimitable way -LAG is LAG ...Weight is - Weight
Nice one Mike.I didn't have time to get into detail earlier but you summed it up in your own inimitable way -LAG is LAG ...Weight is - Weight
Here is where my fog is: (not saying I'm right,etc but better than saying "I think" or "in my opinion" every sentence).
From dictionary.com:
weight: Physics. the force that gravitation exerts upon a body, equal to the mass of the body times the local acceleration of gravity.
So in physics weight is force, or pressure that can be sensed.
Kelley does describe club head lag pressure as a careful nursing of clubhead feel. The main thing that comes from lag pressure is the ability to feel the club head. I'm not sure how to reconcile club head lag pressure (strict definition) with the force that gravitation exerts upon the clubhead (at top).
Regardless, both "situations" produce force which the hands most certainly can feel. The hands now have club head feel. Then they do what is needed not to lose the sensed pressure (clubhead lag pressure is "always loading" - feel the wet mop head through impact). Including telling the body to make the necessary movements not to lose club head feel.
Here is where my fog is: (not saying I'm right,etc but better than saying "I think" or "in my opinion" every sentence).
From dictionary.com:
weight: Physics. the force that gravitation exerts upon a body, equal to the mass of the body times the local acceleration of gravity.
So in physics weight is force, or pressure that can be sensed.
Kelley does describe club head lag pressure as a careful nursing of clubhead feel. The main thing that comes from lag pressure is the ability to feel the club head. I'm not sure how to reconcile club head lag pressure (strict definition) with the force that gravitation exerts upon the clubhead (at top).
Regardless, both "situations" produce force which the hands most certainly can feel. The hands now have club head feel. Then they do what is needed not to lose the sensed pressure (clubhead lag pressure is "always loading" - feel the wet mop head through impact). Including telling the body to make the necessary movements not to lose club head feel.
No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing." You do not hit the ball with the clubhead- you hit the ball with your Hands- the pressure points in your Hands. Clubhead LAG Pressure is in the hands. Clubhead lag Pressure is not in the clubhead, either. And no- its weight unless change resistant- is neither Lag or Lag pressure.
I have tried to explain TGM concepts that are Hands Controlled Pivot but you only want the Swing the Clubhead/dance with the club type of stroke. The pivot works as trained- independently, intuitively, instinctively, and automatically. Trained, trusted and ignored by the Hands.
If you watch the last third of the clip, you will see Lynn Blake demonstrated the Start Down Waggle as he explains the start down sequence- Hip slide- Instant Acceleration and no self moving Hands (at that point of the stroke). You will see how the pivot sets the hands On Plane- not off, how the hip turn, sets up the right shoulder and right arm On Plane- not off.
But you will see pivot control hands because you want a Hands that Slave a Pivot. Nagging Hands. You feel better with a Hands in motion and let the body turn when needed.
This is how a 12-1-0 or 12-2-0 Golfing Machine G.O.L.F. Stroke works with well Educated Hands controlling the stroke and pivot.
No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing." You do not hit the ball with the clubhead- you hit the ball with your Hands- the pressure points in your Hands. Clubhead LAG Pressure is in the hands. Clubhead lag Pressure is not in the clubhead, either. And no- its weight unless change resistant- is neither Lag or Lag pressure.
Good luck.
10-19-C (first sentence) "Lag Loading (Clubhead Feel)." I totally agree you hit the ball with the hands. Club head feel is what enables you to to so, because in reality, the club head is what strikes the ball. There has to be a connection with the hands and the clubhead. "its weight unless change resistant" I don't understand this. Just thinking - I believe all weight (force) is change risistant. If this is not a feel the club head swing - how do you direct the clubhead with the hands? Your hands must sense something to direct.
The pressure in your hands is a direct result of what is happening with the clubhead when you make certain movements (drive your hands or make movements that stop the driving of your hands). In other words, the driving of your hands causes the RESULTING ACTION of the club head to transmit pressure that is sensed in the hands. Club head lag pressure is not sensing the driving of your hands (and the hands are driven by accum), but sensing the clubhead via your hands.
6-C-2 CLUBHEAD LAG
"It can be any one or any combination of pressure points selected to Sense CLUBHEAD Acceleration rate and direction" Use Clubhead lag to feel the clubhead.
Also I think there is something to the fact that the glossery does not state, in its definition of Clubhead lag, "resistance of inertia to change in direction", but rather just and only "resistance of inertia to change" (direction and acceleration).
6-C-2-0 Picture Club head at top of swing. per caption "Clubhead lag" (established)
I don't think an independent pivot is 12-1 or 12-2. I believe the hands by sensed pressure, dictate to the pivot (5-0). Thae hands are, by far, are the most reliable parts of the body, when it comes to maintaining a precise hand relationship to the plane line.
As you pretty much stated, no changing each other. Thanks for the replies. If you haven't changed my thinking, it has given me reason to go back to the book in detail - always good.
No- this is not a "swing the clubhead- feel the clubhead golf swing."
That's the beauty of The Golfing Machine - Kelley tells us exactly how to feel the clubhead (through the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point) which is associated with "all over control" 7-19.
I don't think Kelley was at odds with greats like Ernest Jones and Percy Boomer.
That's the beauty of The Golfing Machine - Kelley tells us exactly how to feel the clubhead (through the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point) which is associated with "all over control" 7-19.
I don't think Kelley was at odds with greats like Ernest Jones and Percy Boomer.
No he wasn't. Certainly not Boomer.
DG- not absolutes, just trying to explain TGM 12-1-0 and 12-2-0. Yoda and Hull do a great job. You cannot find this information of Tomesello's video. He doesn't pull. Even a Hitter was a strong 'twitch' pull to set up the hands.
Im done trying to explain the differeence between weight and Lag. Swing the clubhead, SEC
And if you watch that video- you will not believe what you see. Your Hands are not as educated as you think if they need to micro manage a pivot. A correct take-away requires a turn. A down stroke requires a turn. And the Hands do NOT move themsleves at the very start- if they do they are way to active and might nopt find On PLANE by themselves. If they don't move themselves- what does?
Im done trying to explain the differeence between weight and Lag. Swing the clubhead, SEC
And if you watch that video- you will not believe what you see. Your Hands are not as educated as you think if they need to micro manage a pivot. A correct take-away requires a turn. A down stroke requires a turn. And the Hands do NOT move themsleves at the very start- if they do they are way to active and might nopt find On PLANE by themselves. If they don't move themselves- what does?
Take starting at impact fix. Cetainly the hands don't move themselves at the start. (they are frozen) Elbow, forearms guided by the brain to the nerves in the hands - hands knowing all along that the plane line must be traced. Body then responds.
There is no "muscle memory" in the hips that enables them to correctly turn in a precise fashion (or in shoulders, or in any part of any human).
That's just it with the hands controlled pivot. Do you move with brain attention to the hands or the hips or the shoulders? You can hit the ball by doing both. What method will be more precise? There is a reason why you do most everything in life through your hands.
Take starting at impact fix. Cetainly the hands don't move themselves at the start. (they are frozen) Elbow, forearms guided by the brain to the nerves in the hands - hands knowing all along that the plane line must be traced. Body then responds.
There is no "muscle memory" in the hips that enables them to correctly turn in a precise fashion (or in shoulders, or in any part of any human).
That's just it with the hands controlled pivot. Do you move with brain attention to the hands or the hips or the shoulders? You can hit the ball by doing both. What method will be more precise? There is a reason why you do most everything in life through your hands.
A well trained pivot allows the hands to do what is important. Go to the ball.
You say the Hands know the line to trace- then the Body responds. When does it respond- after the Hands move on their own or after the pivot starts or when?
Im done trying to explain the differeence between weight and Lag.
I think i have it reconciled. Gravity, in a similar fashion to force exerted against the club (a force that is different from club head lag pressure) though Pressure points (for hand movement, resulting in club movement), is exterted against the clubhead. This is a change to the inert club head. The result of this change is pressure that is sensed by the hands. You may obtain clubhead feel through this pressure. Maintain it and create more by continuing to change, or drive the club head by moving the hands (as stated above, hand movement said knowing hands are indeed moved by pressure from accumulators) and allow the hands to sense it.
I think i have it reconciled. Gravity, in a similar fashion to force exerted against the club (a force that is different from club head lag pressure) though Pressure points (for hand movement, resulting in club movement), is exterted against the clubhead. This is a change to the inert club head. The result of this change is pressure that is sensed by the hands. You may obtain clubhead feel through this pressure. Maintain it and create more by continuing to change, or drive the club head by moving the hands (as stated above, hand movement said knowing hands are indeed moved by pressure from accumulators) and allow the hands to sense it.
Again- not a feel the clubhead swing the clubhead thing with TGM Educated Hands. I only have an INTUITIVE sense of the clubhead because I monitor Pressure Points and maintain my Flying Wedges ON PLANE. I never feel its WEIGHT because I"m cranking. But my Hands know everything. That is the only feel I need. Don't spend so much time feeling DEAD weight and learn to mash down on the ball with your spent Power Package.
You really have this whole hand pressure accumulator thing a bit azz backwards. Hands are clamps to hold the club with the ability to monitor three pressure points. If you want to flatten the right wrist, have a real nice throw-Away flip and bust up your Flying Wedges then push against this pressure with any of the accumultors. Power flows from the accumulators. If you are a Swinger- Throw Accumultors 4, 2, and 3. Throw -OUT. Throw with a geometrically correct Left Hip Slide that allows the right shoulder to deliver the Load Power Package correctly Down plane into Impact.
Or, Feel the clubhead's dead weight and dance with the shaft.
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