How terribly close is hitting and swinging?

[nuke99]

ARRRGGGH Mike...

ITS different .. but thats beside the point

It becomes different because on how it Assembles.. NOT by pure intent ...

Ie.. YOU CANNOT say you want the Tricep become a active or Passive, HIT or Swing , Accumulator 1 or Extensor action , with the same elbow position, with the same way the tricep "pulls the thumb" . by just wanting and thinking. ,,,,,, We need to change something . get what i am trying to express?

[6bmike]

Extensor Action does not straighten and pushes the left arm to the ball. It tries to straighten in a straight line along the shaft- a totally different direction. The inline force is what glues the wedges.

nuke
"No.3 pressure point is slightly counter - clockwise .. top aft for swinger ( with a ? shape trigger finger) and aft for hitters...

Reason is , the way the elbow is positioned, the grip have to be slightly different. but presumably BOTH strong single .

At address #3pp is always behind the shaft regardless of finger shape. It is the turn of the Hand of Standard Left Wrist Action to the End that changes the alignments but nopt the actual location of the finger contact on the shaft. There is no elbow position in Alignment golf. check the video and let Lynn explain it to you.

[Bigwill]

ARRRGGGH Mike...

ITS different .. but thats beside the point

It becomes different because on how it Assembles.. NOT by pure intent ...

Ie.. you cant say you want the Tricep become a HIT or a swing , Accumulator 1 or Extensor action , with the same elbow , with the same way the elbow Pull ... ... get what i am trying to express?

I think I do. You're asking, "If extensor action and the hitter's drive-out both involve triceps activation, and extensor action is active from startup to both arms straight, what differentiates the triceps activity of extensor action from the triceps activity of the hitter's drive out, considering that the triceps only extends the arm at the elbow?" Am I on the right track?

Maybe the difference between extensor action and the hitters thrust is felt at an anatomical level. In other words, the triceps muscles are extending in both cases. But maybe other muscles (pecs, anterior delts) come into play during the hitter's drive-out, while they don't necessarily do so in extensor action??

[nuke99]

I think I do. You're asking, "If extensor action and the hitter's drive-out both involve triceps activation, and extensor action is active from startup to both arms straight, what differentiates the triceps activity of extensor action from the triceps activity of the hitter's drive out, considering that the triceps only extends the arm at the elbow?" Am I on the right track?

Yub, for your first paragraph... as stated in 6B1D...

Because of Extensor Action, the Right Triceps can never be totally "passive."

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Maybe the difference between extensor action and the hitters thrust is felt at an anatomical level. In other words, the triceps muscles are extending in both cases. But maybe other muscles (pecs, anterior delts) come into play during the hitter's drive-out, while they don't necessarily do so in extensor action??

Not really... My point is how the Tricep power is assembled will differentiate between the tricep being a acc 1 or extensor action or both. pls refer the TGM quote of 6b1D

[Bagger Lance]

Like most things TGM, it's becoming more complicated than it really is. But in order to understand and for the egg to hatch, you've got to dig.

And digging you are Nuke. I love it!

Consider this, extensor action for swinging or hitting is a constant inline pressure as 6B said, of the clubshaft.

It's not much pressure, just a few pounds. As Ben Doyle would say, you are stretching your sweater taut.

It stays that way throughout the swing.

With hitting, it starts that way and stays that way even at the top of the backstroke and during startdown.

But during release, the hitter accelerates the primary lever assembly - clubshaft and left arm with a strong thrust of the right tricep. Zero to 60 in .02 seconds. A right arm crossline punch through impact. Pure thrust.

[nuke99]

ok... from extensor action .. i highlight 2 sentence in 6.B.1.D

Stretching the Left Arm through the #3 Pressure Point gives the same action as pulling on both ends of a rope. ( swinging?)

In which case, use only the #1 Pressure Point and pull on the Left Thumb to then hold at least the Left Arm in-line and retain Power Package structural rigidity. ( hitting , punch or push elbow)

you can't really pull Both


ALSO

10.18.A

I highlight

Remember, with Swinging, Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A)

[6bmike]

ok... from extensor action .. i highlight 2 sentence in 6.B.1.D






ALSO

10.18.A

I highlight

A "feel" of a turn, but nothing turns out of relationship on the shaft. Lynn explains and shows you on the vid. Watch viewing.

either pp pulls the shaft inline as it flattens the left wrist. It doesn't matter which pp you zone in on as long as the thrust is inline with the shaft.

The left arm is like a dog leash and the right arm is the dog running away only to be prevented my the left arm leash.

The right arm can apply an inline thrust- Extensor Action and a driving right arm moving the Lever assembly at the same time. Two different thrusts as spelled out by Homer Kelley.

[nuke99]

I understand your point. Mike.

Though Mike...

The trigger finger of a swinger is more of a " ? ' Hook shape.. while a hitter more flat , Different Feel and slight different look. BUT same relationship. Isn't it?

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Mr Bagger ... Thanks..

I really just hoping someone can actually see my point and say if its right or wrong.

And there you said it... ACCELERATES THE PRIMARY ASSEMBLY ...=== HITTER.. So the Accumulator 1 and Extensor action have to support the primary assembly ! To see my point.. Throw away that club .. and apply accumulator 1 /extensor action on your left arm by pulling the left thumb. HIT IT ...

Swinging ... Provide Extensor Action to the Secondary assembly ... Whatever you do with this one... It cannot become a Accumulator 1 power. To see my point.. use a separated grip and apply extensor action via PP3 or right hand and swing ..No way your right elbow can become accumulator 1 ? It becomes POINTLESS anyway. right?

Hehe,, I think this is my best explanation yet ...

Do you have time to give me english lesson Bagger? You write so much better. than me

[6bmike]

I understand your point.

Though Mike...

The trigger finger of a swinger is more of a " ? ' Hook shape.. while a hitter more flat , Different Feel and slight different look. BUT same relationship.

I don't think one stroke type dominates a certain finger shape. The only important part of pp#3- The King of All Pressure Points!" I like to say, is that it located on back of the shaft (as are PP1 and PP2) somewhere on that lower fat pad of the finger and hand and that you can sense Lag Pressure from it. It is the clubhead since we monitor and hit the ball with our Hands.

This "where is PP#3" and what up with this "feel' of a rotated 1/4 turn had been debated and pondered since I first stepped in the TGM world- long before Yoda even. A long list of well respected TGM aficionados all had asumptions as to what that was. We had a lot to learn.

[nuke99]

Mike.. I think it makes sense to me at least for the finger to be Hooked for swinger..

Due to the Pitch elbow. and Karate chop... the Hook trigger finger places the PP 3 directly behind the Plane of action ... or the ARC of Circular motion.

While for a Hitter , the right hand is relatively more Perpendicular to the plane of action. also caused the PUNCH elbow and the "primary lever assembly" ... if assembled together. Put the pp3 behind the Angle of Thrust ..

Like a Jigsaw puzzle.. One puzzle fit to another puzzle..and it all made more and more sense.