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"Use the Bounce of the club" means what in the shortgame???? (excludes bunker shots)

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Old 06-20-2007, 01:05 PM
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I didn't think of it that way ... No expert in this but... what my experiences is, ( which is not much anyway) vertical hinging and throwaway make the shots land extremely soft and green stopping than hard compression spinning shots

Hard compression shots easily bounce and check to the unpredictable directions. Especially if the landing area is curvy .. or not flat. I am just talking within 50 yards...

Those hackers can really score around the green.... with ugly steering , and thinking the club should travel straight in straight through scooping action.. Ugly to watch but.. the results... . They don't have a long game but they can score around the green with enough practice.

Just my unprofessional opinion though
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:21 PM
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I didn't think of it that way ... No expert in this but... what my experiences is, ( which is not much anyway) vertical hinging and throwaway make the shots land extremely soft and green stopping than hard compression spinning shots

Hard compression shots easily bounce and check to the unpredictable directions. Especially if the landing area is curvy .. or not flat. I am just talking within 50 yards...

Those hackers can really score around the green.... with ugly steering , and thinking the club should travel straight in straight through scooping action.. Ugly to watch but.. the results... . They don't have a long game but they can score around the green with enough practice.

Just my unprofessional opinion though
I was talking about the shaft being vertical to the ground and impact, so there may be ever so slight of a flat left wrist at impact. I summize thats Utleys technique is more of a "draw" motion (inside to inside swing, with mid ball position), with the body pivot doing the work.

Certainly, if you add throwaway, which many times is needed, you will soften the shot, and have little run-out.

Think of the courses we play and for those who do not always hit the green we have 4 places we can miss (excluding bunkers), short where we are on fairway type grass, or left, right, or past the green, where we are more likely to find some rough. And its from the rough that we need height to land the ball and allow it to run (or not run depending on the distance we have to throw it way up in the air) to the hole. Spin from the rough is tougher to come by. So, I think these are the areas that are ripe for the cuts, lobs, flops, and........throwaway!

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Old 06-20-2007, 03:33 PM
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Now question is,, how to have flat left wrist and center ball position and a vertical shaft ...at impact ... hum....

Also in chipping many teacher including Tom Tomasello uses Heel up ... cool way to use a bounce isn't it?
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nuke99 View Post
Now question is,, how to have flat left wrist and center ball position and a vertical shaft ...at impact ... hum....

Also in chipping many teacher including Tom Tomasello uses Heel up ... cool way to use a bounce isn't it?
....Not quite vertical, and certainly not "hitting" down on the ball.

The cool thing about the book for me, is it forces me to think of options....and when it comes to short game, you must be creative, imaginative, and have an arsenal of shots for the situation at hand.

BTW, I am sure Seve B, (a short game guru), used throwaway quite a bit.
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:04 PM
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If you look at his pictures and then compare it to the text, it doesn't track too well.

The idea of having a cup wrist for pitch shots, cupping the wrist on the backstroke, bowing the wrist for chips to control trajectory, minimal shaft leaning on chips while even advocating laying back the shaft on pitches makes his technique appear to be more complex than needed. Then we take the changes at address position with the hands lower, etc....

On my second read. I think he has done a great job on identify faults and causes, but his written technique vs pictures along with some catch words seems off to me.

He beleives the pitch shot is high, little spin, lands softly and stops. He seems to be very much anti-back spin and pro-trajectory and run out.
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:07 PM
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Seve B ... in some of his video in some magazines somewhere.. remember him saying soft arms, left arm must Bend after impact ... to aid softer shots... so ... no extensor action with chicken wing? ...


We need to keep an open mind. this short game thingie is making me confused cuckle
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:45 AM
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Seve B ... in some of his video in some magazines somewhere.. remember him saying soft arms, left arm must Bend after impact ... to aid softer shots... so ... no extensor action with chicken wing? ...
Ballesteros chipped with ball forward, hitters type extensor action into a vertical shaft at low point. Left arm bends with inside of left elbow tracing around the (left side) body above the beltline.

Click here to see: Seve demonstrating ball control with clubhead

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Old 06-28-2007, 07:18 AM
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I was talking about the shaft being vertical to the ground and impact, so there may be ever so slight of a flat left wrist at impact. I summize thats Utleys technique is more of a "draw" motion (inside to inside swing, with mid ball position), with the body pivot doing the work.

Certainly, if you add throwaway, which many times is needed, you will soften the shot, and have little run-out.

Think of the courses we play and for those who do not always hit the green we have 4 places we can miss (excluding bunkers), short where we are on fairway type grass, or left, right, or past the green, where we are more likely to find some rough. And its from the rough that we need height to land the ball and allow it to run (or not run depending on the distance we have to throw it way up in the air) to the hole. Spin from the rough is tougher to come by. So, I think these are the areas that are ripe for the cuts, lobs, flops, and........throwaway!
You could also play all the above shots WITHOUT throwaway
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:21 AM
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You could also play all the above shots WITHOUT throwaway
Nice to have options.
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Could someone please describe "throwaway" as it applies here.
If Utley can insert jargon. Can LBG be far behind?
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