I invested over two weeks working on lagging according the Bobby Claimpett. I got additional distance and better more consistent ball flight. I hate to undo a something that has helped my game. I remember a video suggesting that the right elbow loads the hitters left wrist. But, I can do a lot more loading with Clampett's procedure and I have difficulty unilaterally giving back some of the lag I have been enjoying so much.
Clampett is not a Hitter- he uses a Swing Stroke Pattern. He would not use Single Left Wrist Action or stop at the Top. He would go to End with Standard Left Wrist Action and use Drag loading to ‘throw’ his wrists- Acc#2 and #3 to create CF. A Pull induced Throw-out.
A Hitter, does not use CF throw-out. A Hitter uses Drive Loading from the Top not the End and pushes the whole club, head and shaft into the ball. A pushing driving Right Arm with muscle power.
I would say if you are following Clampett- you are a Swinger, not a Hitter since you have Swinger components. I never suggested you not do what is working, just be aware that you ain’t a Hitter.
I wonder if it would be too much trouble for your to suggest what the advantage to me would be with the lagging method Ted Fort uses as a hitter that compensates for its disadvantage of a lower amount of initial lag loading?
You are mixing up components. Hitters have No disadvantage with loading Lag. And I think you see Accumulator Lag as the only “Lag.” A Hitter use Pivot Lag to set up a powerful platform to Drive from and uses as much Clubhead Lag as a Swinger. Accumulator Lag is the only Lag that is released. A Swinger drags and releases them sequentially, whereas a Hitter mashes down on the ball releasing them simultaneously.
I believe Clampett suggests that low point be quite a bit further ahead than just in front of the ball.
I can't see how. If you study The Geometry of the Circle, you will see that the Low Point is just in front of the ball- an inch at most. Any further in the Circle becomes an elongated oval which is not what Homer teaches. The whole RFT is to allow the stroke pattern and golfer to have the best ideal swing shape. With the Low point in front of the ball, the ball lies just UP on the incline plane- this allows perfect Line of Compression. If the Low point of the stroke was four inches in front of the ball and still a circle, the ball would have to be on a Tee.
The divot can be four inches but low point would be before the divot ended.
You are a Swinger wink- nothing wrong with that. Drive that elbow deep into the stroke and have fun.
I invested over two weeks working on lagging according the Bobby Claimpett. I got additional distance and better more consistent ball flight. I hate to undo a something that has helped my game. I remember a video suggesting that the right elbow loads the hitters left wrist. But, I can do a lot more loading with Clampett's procedure and I have difficulty unilaterally giving back some of the lag I have been enjoying so much.
Clampett is not a Hitter- he uses a Swing Stroke Pattern. He would not use Single Left Wrist Action or stop at the Top. He would go to End with Standard Left Wrist Action and use Drag loading to ‘throw’ his wrists- Acc#2 and #3 to create CF. A Pull induced Throw-out.
A Hitter, does not use CF throw-out. A Hitter uses Drive Loading from the Top not the End and pushes the whole club, head and shaft into the ball. A pushing driving Right Arm with muscle power.
I would say if you are following Clampett- you are a Swinger, not a Hitter since you have Swinger components. I never suggested you not do what is working, just be aware that you ain’t a Hitter.
I wonder if it would be too much trouble for your to suggest what the advantage to me would be with the lagging method Ted Fort uses as a hitter that compensates for its disadvantage of a lower amount of initial lag loading?
You are mixing up components. Hitters have No disadvantage with loading Lag. And I think you see Accumulator Lag as the only “Lag.” A Hitter use Pivot Lag to set up a powerful platform to Drive from and uses as much Clubhead Lag as a Swinger. Accumulator Lag is the only Lag that is released. A Swinger drags and releases them sequentially, whereas a Hitter mashes down on the ball releasing them simultaneously.
I believe Clampett suggests that low point be quite a bit further ahead than just in front of the ball.
I can't see how. If you study The Geometry of the Circle, you will see that the Low Point is just in front of the ball- an inch at most. Any further in the Circle becomes an elongated oval which is not what Homer teaches. The whole RFT is to allow the stroke pattern and golfer to have the best ideal swing shape. With the Low point in front of the ball, the ball lies just UP on the incline plane- this allows perfect Line of Compression. If the Low point of the stroke was four inches in front of the ball and still a circle, the ball would have to be on a Tee.
The divot can be four inches but low point would be before the divot ended.
You are a Swinger wink- nothing wrong with that. Drive that elbow deep into the stroke and have fun.
6B,
As your very distant cousin "12-Piece" might say.... you have been "on fire" with so many of your posts lately! Keep up the good work... you have developed a "near-Yoda" type grasp of the book!
As your very distant cousin "12-Piece" might say.... you have been "on fire" with so many of your posts lately! Keep up the good work... you have developed a "near-Yoda" type grasp of the book!
CG
Thank You but it is a VERY very distant near. We all know that Lynn is "da man" or is it that he is "da Yoda" of the Yellow Book. Nobody knows it or more importantly, explains it better than LB. Many of us have been lucky to spend time with the green guy and pick his brain.
I alternated shots, back and forth, on the practice tee this morning to try to figure out what procedure to take to the course, there is a senior tournament this weekend that I am participating in. First I hit the best shot possible using my best hitters lagging procedure followed by start down waggle and then right arm thrust. Next I used the more complete loading technique I learned from Clampett's book on the next shot.
With the exception of the lag loading procedure used, I tried very hard to make the two swings identical.
I definitely hit some good shots with each method, but the data indicated a modest benefit from the more thorough lagging technique that I have been learning from Clampett's book. The increase lag creation, seemed to result for me in both a modest distance improvement (6 or 7 yards wedge) and also in a bit more distance and line consistency. Also I esthetically enjoy the superior feel of the more complete loading technique because I can feel the additional power I am bringing to the ball, in my #3 pressure point.
Btw Clampett talks about the low point of his swing (center of his divot) being 4 inches in front of the ball. So that is a substantial difference from what you are talking about. Maybe the different location of low point may have played a minor role and establishing a winner in my test? Thanks very very much for sharing your expertise with me. In particular, your tip about the right shoulder acting as a trigger for the right forearm thrust has improved my timing of when to let my right tricept do its thing.
Earlier in this thread you mentioned that "A Hitter needs to set his Flying Wedges and leave them be until Impact."
This morning I decided to focus on that idea. It appears that when my attention isn't concentrating on my Angled Hinge, it doesn't necessarily stay in proper alignment particularly as it gets close to the ball. Now, my shots are staying much more on line. Great suggestion Mike.
Btw Clampett talks about the low point of his swing (center of his divot) being 4 inches in front of the ball. So that is a substantial difference from what you are talking about. Maybe the different location of low point may have played a minor role and establishing a winner in my test? Thanks very very much for sharing your expertise with me. In particular, your tip about the right shoulder acting as a trigger for the right forearm thrust has improved my timing of when to let my right tricept do its thing.
I guess Clampett just places the ball further back in the stance. Either that, or he has several inches of slide forward. I didn't think it was very clear from reading the book.
"I guess Clampett just places the ball further back in the stance. Either that, or he has several inches of slide forward. I didn't think it was very clear from reading the book."
Took a look at the book today and if you look at the pictures carefully that accompany the text, you will see that his ball is indeed positioned properly forward. So I don't think he places the ball further back in the stance.
Bobby is famous for his skilled use of lag which is about delaying the release of the club head. Even if his lagging methods delays the club heads release by a few fractions of a second, because the club head is moving at such a high speed, the extra milliseconds may be what allows him to move his low point slightly forward from where others low point is. Also he strongly encourages golfers to aim so that their low point will occur further forward, and perhaps what you strive for, you have a better chance of achieving. I practice in the sand trap, moving the low point of my contact well past where the ball is. I am not achieving a low point that is fully 4 inches forward of the ball, but I am making some progress.
Also he strongly encourages golfers to aim so that their low point will occur further forward, and perhaps what you strive for, you have a better chance of achieving. I practice in the sand trap, moving the low point of my contact well past where the ball is. I am not achieving a low point that is fully 4 inches forward of the ball, but I am making some progress.
This seems to go against the concept of The Geometry of a CIRCLE. The ball should not be so far back and therefor 'UP' on the incline Plane to acommadate a low point so much further 'Down Plane.' This effects clubface, the right arm, the Hinge Action and Rhythm.
The ball should be just in front of low point- just 'Up' the Plane so the arms can fully extend power through the ball. This is the ideal CIRCLE Homer Kelley talks about.
Perhaps Bobby was still feeling his thrust past low point as the HANDS still drive along the Plane Line as the clubhead stays in its orbit.
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