"Use the Bounce of the club" means what in the shortgame???? (excludes bunker shots)
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09-18-2007, 04:24 AM
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Bounce and the shortgame? It means nothing to me except for bunker shots and heavy rough.
For a fairway shot I can't see what effect bounce has.......in fact it can be difficult to hit a cut up shot with too much bounce on the club.
Bounce would only be useful if you were hitting the ball fat.
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09-19-2007, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stockdam
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Bounce and the shortgame? It means nothing to me except for bunker shots and heavy rough.
For a fairway shot I can't see what effect bounce has.......in fact it can be difficult to hit a cut up shot with too much bounce on the club.
Bounce would only be useful if you were hitting the ball fat.
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Yep, hit it fat, slice it around the greens. That will give you soft shots, which is very useful. Also allows you to avoid humps and bumps, whereby you can land the ball close to the hole and it will stop.
The shot is actually with ball at your left foot, towards the pinkie toe, with a slicing action through the shot, favoring hitting it fat, rather than thin. Works great inside 50 yards. Works better with a gap wedge than lob wedge, unless in the ruff, where you will need speed to get through the grass and a higher lofted club.
Try it.
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09-20-2007, 08:58 PM
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As someone who is terrible at chipping.  would you recommend Stan's book as a good start? Or maybe some other DVDs etc out there? At the moment I guess I mostly try to hit down on the ball. Sometimes with disasterous results.
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09-20-2007, 09:10 PM
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Oh! I just found the big thread on this 
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09-20-2007, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by littlebrit
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Oh! I just found the big thread on this
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Bad chipping is a sign that there is something wrong with your full swing. A chip is a small full swing- Impact is Impact in both cases- the Geometry is the same. Solve your chipping problems by improving your Stroke with Basic and Acquired Motions.
Learn where the right arm has to live at impact, even against its will.
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09-23-2007, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
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Bad chipping is a sign that there is something wrong with your full swing. A chip is a small full swing- Impact is Impact in both cases- the Geometry is the same. Solve your chipping problems by improving your Stroke with Basic and Acquired Motions.
Learn where the right arm has to live at impact, even against its will.
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I do try  but am still learning. The margin for error in chip shot is very frustrating when I get pretty much get to the green, or edge of, in regulation then mess up a little chip. For that matter so is putting.  I am in my 3rd year from starting golf and have a lot to ingrain, and still make a lot of errors.
Thanks, I will check out Lynns videos again for the basic and acquired motions.
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09-24-2007, 10:26 AM
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Learn how to execute a chip, pitch, and aquired motion with a flat left wrist and maintaining lag pressure. Once you have become comfortable executing these motions and have a good feel for that pressure. Then you can start experimenting with using the sole of the club or bounce with a slightly open face and the feel of sliding the club under the ball. So you are using less leading edge and much less forward lean on the shaft. This technique gives you a lot more versatility around the green, than just standard tgm chip motion.But it is important that one can execute a proper motion with 3 imperatives first. Does not work as well with someone who only knows how to throw the clubhead through impact. It is just a matter of controlling the amount of forward lean you have on the shaft, not every shot requires max compression.
I just watched Chris Riley hit shots all around our practice green, hes is a perfect example of someone who knows how to hit a wide variety of shots around the green constantly adjusting is alignments. He does it subconciously through experience. But I can tell you he knows how to use the bounce of the club. Excellent short game!
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09-20-2007, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by littlebrit
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As someone who is terrible at chipping. would you recommend Stan's book as a good start? Or maybe some other DVDs etc out there? At the moment I guess I mostly try to hit down on the ball. Sometimes with disasterous results.
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As far as hitting down on chip shots, the more you hit down on them the less margin for error you have. If you lean your weight left, have your hands way forward and pick the club up and hit down you have to catch the ball just perfectly not to hit it fat or thin. My feeling is that the flatter plane Utley recommends will almost immediately result in consistently better results, no more terrible shots provided the left wrist is kept flat through the impact interval. I power my short game shots with the right forearm, keeping the left wrist flat throughout and allowing my arms to work more around me. This makes clean contact much simpler than some other techniques. You can do a search for Seve Ballesteros on youtube, seeing his technique never hurt anyone.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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09-23-2007, 10:45 PM
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Thanks Matt, I will check out Seve.
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