Why is the shaft on a steeper plane?
Doesn´t the shaft point at the closed planeline?
When you teach people AoA, do you than put them closed-closed.
Where does the clubface point in a closed-closed scenario, let´s say with a seven iron ?
Do you use AoA?
Why is the shaft on a steeper plane?
Doesn´t the shaft point at the closed planeline?
When you teach people AoA, do you than put them closed-closed.
Where does the clubface point in a closed-closed scenario, let´s say with a seven iron ?
Do you use AoA?
Thank´s!
I can use either 10-5-A or 10-5-E.
"You're not concerned with the clubshaft. The clubshaft seems to be immaterial. It represents a clubhead plane rather than a clubshaft plane."
So, you have to disregard the shaft and think outside the box. Think of the clubhead moving on a steep Plane, with the clubshaft somewhat internal to the circular orbit of the clubhead.
If you can imagine a circle lying on a flat surface, a Plane. If two marks were made on the Plane (Impact and Low Point), the circle could touch those points if laid flat on the Plane. Or, the circle could pass through the surface of the original Plane, touching only those two points. This would represent a steeper circle that satisfies Impact and Low Point, or a new steeper Plane.
The Sweet Spot is the thing that needs to travel on Plane.
If you can find this information ANYWHERE else, you've had better luck than me. Because, I've looked. And, don't try to hurry the process. Some of these things just have to incubate.
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Last edited by YodasLuke : 12-02-2007 at 07:53 PM.
Thank you so much for posting. I would have responded sooner but my cable modem has been toast. It only takes close to a week to get a cable tech to come out to the house. Gotta love the rural life. Nothing happens quickly.
Anyway, those quotes from Homer confim my findings. In fiddling with the procedure I found exactly what he's saying to be true. I too was concerned because I found the travel of the club with the clubhead covering a straight line to be steep as can be. "Actually, it's a vertical plane for the clubhead" (slight pause) "slightly inclined." Feels odd at first. I kept working it though because I was trusting 2-J-3-B. I knew a circle on a inclined plane can appear to be a straight line from viewing circles at different angles. If you look directly down on a plate or hula-hoop, etc. you see a straight line. That object can be slightly tilted and still visually appear straight. By using Angle of Approach I find a Hitter is guaranteed inside-out impact. I like the straight line feel of the clubhead because it feels right with the straight line thrust of the right arm.
These ring particuarly true for me:
"You're not concerned with the clubshaft."
"The clubshaft seems to be immaterial."
"It represents a clubhead plane rather than a clubshaft plane."
"Line momentum of the clubhead."
I'm still not sure why 10-5-0 reads the way it does about synchronizing by laying the shaft on the line. Especially when he says this in a Master's class, "It's not a true on plane motion." I'm still thinking on that one.
So, from the posts and my own findings it seems the thing to do is: setup with proper alignments at Impact Fix, locate the straight line Angle of Approach through impact and low points, let the Clubhead cover the delivery line and let 'er rip.
I like it.
Last edited by gmoney_69 : 12-05-2007 at 05:28 PM.
Out of curiousity, do you further steepen the plane and trace it with your right forearm per 5-0, or do you just monitor the clubhead covering through you hands? Basically, what's your swing thought when using Angle of Approach? I'm just starting to seriously explore using this procedure and wonder how someone whose well versed with it does it. Any recommendations?
I love Hitting and am so thankful this forum offers a place to learn, grow and increase one's knowledge and understanding of the Hitting Pattern. I like the feeling of control when Hitting. Your right there's not much information out there, but LBG is a treasure chest. Swinging always made me feel like a top when it spins off the table.
Out of curiousity, do you further steepen the plane and trace it with your right forearm per 5-0, or do you just monitor the clubhead covering through you hands? Basically, what's your swing thought when using Angle of Approach? I'm just starting to seriously explore using this procedure and wonder how someone whose well versed with it does it. Any recommendations?
I love Hitting and am so thankful this forum offers a place to learn, grow and increase one's knowledge and understanding of the Hitting Pattern. I like the feeling of control when Hitting. Your right there's not much information out there, but LBG is a treasure chest. Swinging always made me feel like a top when it spins off the table.
Thanks again.
Mainly, I cover the line with the Clubhead. It forces the steepness of the Plane. Homer was asked why it was such a good procedure. And, he said he didn't really know. But, he thought it might be because it went so well with Steering.
Mainly, I cover the line with the Clubhead. It forces the steepness of the Plane. Homer was asked why it was such a good procedure. And, he said he didn't really know. But, he thought it might be because it went so well with Steering.
Hi Ted, (my bold in your quotes)
You mean that it is a form of "Geometrically educated" steering?
ie. take a golfer who has , through incorrect knowledge, been steering the clubhead along the ball to target line...
Allow them to keep a steering staright line clubhead concept...but re-educate them as to the line that needs to be covered??
Out of curiousity, do you further steepen the plane and trace it with your right forearm per 5-0, or do you just monitor the clubhead covering through you hands? Basically, what's your swing thought when using Angle of Approach?
The Right Forearm always Traces -- points at -- one of the three selected Delivery Lines (2-J-3):
1. The True Geometric Plane Line (usually the Target Line);
2. The Arc of Approach;
3. The Angle of Approach.
The Clubhead may Trace -- point at -- the True Geometric Plane Line and simultaneously cover the Arc of Approach. Alternatively, the Clubhead may simply cover -- not Trace -- the Angle of Approach.
The Right Forearm always Traces -- points at -- one of the three selected Delivery Lines (2-J-3):
1. The True Geometric Plane Line (usually the Target Line);
2. The Arc of Approach;
3. The Angle of Approach.
The Clubhead may Trace -- point at -- the True Geometric Plane Line and simultaneously cover the Arc of Approach. Alternatively, the Clubhead may simply cover -- not Trace -- the Angle of Approach.
Y & YL,
Inbucator working to max regarding this one.
If my right forearm traces one of the 3 delivery lines - Which will my sweetspot trace/cover?
I´ve got the impression from the promotors of Vision Tracker that even if I trace nr 1 the sweetspot will come on the Alternate Target Line
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I like the straight line feel of the clubhead because it feels right with the straight line thrust of the right arm. 
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