Brian Gay Sequence

[ColtsFan]

Yoda,

Would you reccomend Brians motion as a model for a TGM newbie leaning toward swinging?

He just seems so efficient. If i can get my drives out there 250 yds and straight, I'd be giddy. I'd just want to be able to hit crisp irons and have decent lenght off the tee. Repeatability over monster length.

Also can you lead me to any links or vids where I can learn to work on a basic hip/ pivot action for a swinger new to TGM?

Thanks!

[Yoda]

Yoda,

Would you reccomend Brians motion as a model for a TGM newbie leaning toward swinging?

He just seems so efficient.

Also can you lead me to any links or vids where I can learn to work on a basic hip/ pivot action for a swinger new to TGM?

I would recommend Brian's motion to anyone, Swinger or Hitter.

Body Control (9-1) -- Pivot

• Stationary Head (2-0-A-1).
  
• Stable Feet (10-17-C) and Knees (10-16-C).
  
• On Plane Shoulder Turn (10-13-D)
  
• Delayed Hip Turn (10-15-B)

Clubshaft Control (1-L-A)-- Plane Line Tracing

• Right Forearm On Plane at Address.
• Right Forearm On Plane through Impact.

Clubhead Control (1-L-B) -- Lag Pressure.

• Loaded by the Pivot.
• Delivered by the Arms.
• Guided by the Hands.

Clubface Control (1-L-C) -- Flat Left Wrist and Hinge Action.

• When Centrifugal Force drives the Clubhead -- Swinging -- the tendency is toward Horizontal Hinging.
• When Muscular Thrust drives the Clubhead -- Hitting -- the tendency is toward Angled Hinging.

Regarding Pivot Drills, I recommend the MacDonald Exercises #1-4 and #10-11: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435.

Also, selected portions of the From Mechanics to Feel videos in The Gallery:http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=509.

Finally, when available, Disc #2 -- Drills -- from the soon-to-be-released Blake/Trolio Series.

[hg]

I would recommend Brian's motion to anyone, Swinger or Hitter.

Body Control (9-1) -- Pivot

• Stationary Head (2-0-A-1).
  
• Stable Feet (10-17-C) and Knees (10-16-C).
  
• On Plane Shoulder Turn (10-13-D)
  
• Delayed Hip Turn (10-15-B)

Clubshaft Control (1-L-A)-- Plane Line Tracing

• Right Forearm On Plane at Address.
• Right Forearm On Plane through Impact.

Clubhead Control (1-L-B) -- Lag Pressure.

• Loaded by the Pivot.
• Delivered by the Arms.
• Guided by the Hands.

Clubface Control (1-L-C) -- Flat Left Wrist and Hinge Action.

• When Centrifugal Force drives the Clubhead -- Swinging -- the tendency is toward Horizontal Hinging.
• When Muscular Thrust drives the Clubhead -- Hitting -- the tendency is toward Angled Hinging.

Regarding Pivot Drills, I recommend the MacDonald Exercises #1-4 and #10-11: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435.

Also, selected portions of the From Mechanics to Feel videos in The Gallery:http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=509.

Finally, when available, Disc #2 -- Drills -- from the soon-to-be-released Blake/Trolio Series.

Today I had a good practice session....my swing has been wobbly lately...I kept in mind Yoda's checklist above and Brian's motion ( I have fortunately seen it in person) and what seems to be a minor adjustment made a big difference in the quality of my contact and the feeling of being able to HH through the ball. It was in my SETUP. First, I set the club on its natural lie (which was more upright than I had been doing) than the right forearm on the same line. This brought me closer to the ball ....I felt comfortable being more upright with my upper body & with minor knee flex & with no hunched over the ball feeling. It seemed like the rest of the swing fell into place. Can something this minor make that much difference...maybe so.....it sure seems if you start your setup incorrectly ...a chain reaction of setup issues can occur which will disrupt the entire swing.

[Jeff]

I noted that Brian Gay has his hands higher at address (on the elbow plane) than most PGA tour players who have their hands on the hand plane. Can one cock/hinge the wrists as easily during the backswing when starting from a higher hand postion? Why do most PGA tour players hold their hands on the hand plane (extension line drawn from the butt end of the club points at the belt buckle)?

Jeff.

[hg]

Here's Brian's driver sequence from a down the line view with reference lines....this may help spur some responses.

[Daryl]

Here's Brian's driver sequence from a down the line view with reference lines....this may help spur some responses.

HG

I'm not getting this. Is this a double shift? I thought Brian was zero shift. Why did you draw a line on the Square Shoulder Plane? I'm just confused. It's probably just me.

[mrodock]

Can one cock/hinge the wrists as easily during the backswing when starting from a higher hand postion?

No. The reason is the lower the hands are at address, the more cocked the wrists are, so as it relates to getting the wrists cocked in the backswing you are ahead of the starting line. The thing you have to figure out is which is more difficult to overcome. Many would argue that lower hands creates far more compensations than having to retrain your wrists. If you don't overroll as you start your backswing your right elbow bend should cock your left wrist.

[Daz]

No. The reason is the lower the hands are at address, the more cocked the wrists are, so as it relates to getting the wrists cocked in the backswing you are ahead of the starting line. The thing you have to figure out is which is more difficult to overcome. Many would argue that lower hands creates far more compensations than having to retrain your wrists. If you don't overroll as you start your backswing your right elbow bend should cock your left wrist.

These low hands guys are starting from a cocked right wrist position as well though so this means they need to get it to level somewhere in the swing before impact?. Brian starts from a level right wrist so this gets maintained throughout the swing which we know is correct. He demos this on the video with yoda.

This is yet another extra move for them to do along with getting their right forearm on plane before impact.

Lots of compensations as you state mrodock so what are the supposed adavantages of these low hands especially the real low hands guys ala Jodie Mudd etc?

Remember hearing an audio where Homer said low hands would help you get the club up quicker on the backswing.?

Does it affect the pulley size in the endless belt?

Any of the proponents of this help me here ?

[tbyeaton0627]

No, Jodie Mudd was a "Mac Guy" and from what Mac said was important with the low hands was to move farther away from the ball rather than cocking the wrists at adress, the lower plane angle, and #3 has a shorter radius therefor there will be more bend in the left wrist especially with the stronger grip...would set up for a big pulley, but the pulley would be heavily dependent on which delivery path, and plane angle the player is swinging on