You swingers using a start-up swivel:
Are you swiveling the entire l. arm (do you rotate and feel the l. shoulder socket rotate) or do you only swivel the l. forearm with a wrist action?
haven't experimented myself yet, plan to, but in the meantime wonder if there would be a difference in how that performs and obviously the feeling...
or maybe you guys start the forearm and that links and rotates the entire arm
I guess I'm thinking about a total motion
your thoughts?
You swingers using a start-up swivel:
Are you swiveling the entire l. arm (do you rotate and feel the l. shoulder socket rotate) or do you only swivel the l. forearm with a wrist action?
haven't experimented myself yet, plan to, but in the meantime wonder if there would be a difference in how that performs and obviously the feeling...
or maybe you guys start the forearm and that links and rotates the entire arm
I guess I'm thinking about a total motion
your thoughts?
And hinge action is left wrist turn and roll that turns and rolls the entire left arm wedge and there in lies my problem.
I tend to swivel through impact sending the ball left instead of horizontal hinging through impact. But I also tend towards an angled start up. Im wondering if the two are related? Perhaps horizontal hinging or start up swivel would help my swivel through impact problem. Any opinions? Or are they two separate wobbles or misalignments.
Last edited by O.B.Left : 05-04-2008 at 11:01 PM.
Reason: clarification
And hinge action is left wrist turn and roll and there in lies my problem.
I tend to swivel through impact sending the ball left instead of horizontal hinging through impact. But I also tend towards an angled start up. Im wondering if the two are related? Perhaps horizontal hinging or start up swivel would help my swivel through impact problem. Any opinions? Or are they two separate wobbles or misalignments.
I only move my Hands and to a lesser degree my right elbow but I never give much thought to what actively rotating my forearms- they respond to the Hand's task. The RFT is still the PPs tracing a plane line.
Impact problem? I'm a firm believer that impact is only half a hinge action, perhaps even a form of steering if done half way- think beyond impact and fully finished the intended hinge motion properly.
I only move my Hands and to a lesser degree my right elbow but I never give much thought to what actively rotating my forearms- they respond to the Hand's task. The RFT is still the PPs tracing a plane line.
Impact problem? I'm a firm believer that impact is only half a hinge action, perhaps even a form of steering if done half way- think beyond impact and fully finished the intended hinge motion properly.
6B, if I am right in thinking you are the producer of 6b productions, thanks for the great videos on this and other sites. Fantastic stuff.
I love your notion of continuing hinging past separation. Great. With a small pulley wheel the hinge action starts just prior to impact and extends as long as it can. Is that right? Yoda, for instance does not seem to finish swivel until way late. His right shoulder is down plane and he has lots of right arm left through impact.
I think for me, the swiveling started too early due to the fact the left arm blast off was missing after some misguided head cover under the left armpit training sessions from a few years ago. Dang, another book I wish I'd never read.
6B, if I am right in thinking you are the producer of 6b productions, thanks for the great videos on this and other sites. Fantastic stuff.
I love your notion of continuing hinging past separation. Great. With a small pulley wheel the hinge action starts just prior to impact and extends as long as it can. Is that right? Yoda, for instance does not seem to finish swivel until way late. His right shoulder is down plane and he has lots of right arm left through impact.
I think for me, the swiveling started too early due to the fact the left arm blast off was missing after some misguided head cover under the left armpit training sessions from a few years ago. Dang, another book I wish I'd never read.
O.B.
Hinge action and swivel are TWO separate motions. A Hinge Action is just several inches through the ball, although the intention and preparation starts from the beginning of the downstroke. There is a swivel action not only on the start up (first) but on the down stroke a swivel action before (second) the hinge action and another after (third and last) the hinge action. Homer said a Swinger may feel this as one large swivel- that’s fine but a hinge action is a left hand’s fine tuning of the clubFACE.
This is the official home of 6b productions- my thanks to Lynn who without Yoda and his talented assembly of friends- they would be blank.
I find that hard to believe. I could have sworn Yoda was working with Davis Love III when I walked up on you last month. You have silky smooth and balanced action.
Back to the results of a turned startup swivel, I'll only tell you only a few things for now. Imagine you just asked the same questions to Steve Ferguson (because I did). He looks at you with a big grin and a twinkle in his eye and says,
"Just trust it".
In my case, I just keep pulling, rolling, and uncocking past impact and into follow through. I think in non-TGM circles they call this "releasing the club". You can't let the pivot stop pulling until your are well into follow through, then momentum will carry that wheel rim around.
Out of curiosity, are you thinking about tracing or anything else when you are working on this or is your focus mainly on the startup swivel?
After a roundhousing fix Ted initiated in my swing this winter, If I don't feel a strong roll through impact, I leave the ball a little right. A work in progress, but I find when thinking about a straight line from the end through the ball, with a 'frozen' right wrist and pretty strong extensor action, I can roll about as hard as I want and never lose it left. Just pull until my arms are straight and pointing at the baseline a few feet in front of the ball. Steve nailed the hardest part for me...
Out of curiosity, are you thinking about tracing or anything else when you are working on this or is your focus mainly on the startup swivel?
'Just' trust it.
I have to think about tracing otherwise I have have a tendency to take the club inside. It's a necessity for me.
And from the top, I also think about tracing. I guess you could say I think about tracing first and turn/roll is secondary. Two swing thoughts for now until I can get this engrained.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Id give my eye teeth to be able to free wheel through impact without fearing a hook.
O.B.
Bagger really showed me two things. One was the feeling of the right wrist at start-up and then also how to fan the club to the top. It feels very strange to me. It feels like I must be opening the clubface wide but when checking the mirror it is dead on plane. I played again today and had my partner watch it and he confirmed it is dead on plane at the top. So I know what that feels like now and will get used to it. I struggled more today with the rolling through impact and pushed many shots right. I suspect it is because I'm not rolling hard enough as Baggger mentioned. I need a lot of work on this, it's all new to my motion.
I suspect it is because I'm not rolling hard enough as Baggger mentioned. I need a lot of work on this, it's all new to my motion.
I believe that those of us who are not use to rolling or to put it another way, resisting the natural tendency of the left wrist to roll through impact (steering), have to learn to trust it.
I don't feel so much like have have to force roll it, but I certainly feel like "going with", or even "initiating" the clubface's natural tendency to fan closed takes a high degree of trust.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
You can't let the pivot stop pulling until your are well into follow through, then momentum will carry that wheel rim around.
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