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Old 07-24-2008, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SECGolf View Post

. . . Through impact left hand doesn't perform, but only is maintained in certain postions (left does not perform or cause hinge action).
So . . .

The Right Hand does it all.



In piano music, there is treble cleft (right hand) and bass cleft (left hand). Each hand plays their respective parts, and the result is MUSIC. You would have us believe that, in golf, the left hand plays the part of the deaf mute.

I strongly disagree.
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:39 AM
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So . . .

The Right Hand does it all.



In piano music, there is treble cleft (right hand) and bass cleft (left hand). Each hand plays their respective parts, and the result is MUSIC. You would have us believe that, in golf, the left hand plays the part of the deaf mute.

I strongly disagree.
Mr Blake i think the point was that the left hand is a "holding" hand and controlling the clubface at impact whilst the right hand releases hard against it so no matter it has a huge part to play
As to hinging action this is only a reaction in a golf swing and can also be controlled by how the upper body is rotated or by how a player wishes to release the right hand/arm
For that matter so is a finish swivel just a reaction

As for Homer Kelley i believe he got a lot correct particularly geometry part but as technology advances you can bet that sections will be disproven
His physics was so so and lets face it he was not much of an athlete nor was he an expert on human biokenitics and there are lots of unexplored areas in this department

Point is I never close my mind of to any theory since I have the capacity to implement them and discard them if they don't work for me
I hope i don't get Banned for stating this Mr Blake
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:19 PM
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As to hinging action this is only a reaction in a golf swing and can also be controlled by how the upper body is rotated or by how a player wishes to release the right hand/arm

I am curious what geometry, or physics (the so-so variety will suffice) you can produce to substantiate the above quote. Pretending that there is a hinge embedded in my left shoulder, vertical to one of the three planes works quite well! I am curious what principle of TGM has technology managed to debunk up until now. I really want know. I was shushed a while back when I tried to inquire about the guy that had Manzella frothing at the mouth... Dr. Z. There may be an odd thing here or there that may beg better description, but I think the Three Impertives are unasailable...everything else...who gives a flip.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
So . . .

The Right Hand does it all.



In piano music, there is treble cleft (right hand) and bass cleft (left hand). Each hand plays their respective parts, and the result is MUSIC. You would have us believe that, in golf, the left hand plays the part of the deaf mute.

I strongly disagree.
Sorry maybe not clear. My thoughts are a hinge or a door does not move unless acted on. The hinge is definitely a necessary assembly. In piano playing, the muscles in your left hand fingers and left foremarm are causing action. In golf, these muscles are not causing action, the important assembly is acted upon (right being the piston, ativated by muscular or centrifugal force). Certainly open at all times to any corrections or explanations, as my purpose is to, at times, put my understandings "out there" as food for thought. Left hand not the part of the deaf mute when it comes to feel (of various hinge actions), but left arm is the deaf mute to the extent that a piece of rope plays the mentioned role in "pounding the ball").

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Old 07-25-2008, 10:51 AM
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I for one find it very difficult swinging with my "right side".I could name any number of players who clearly start their downswing "from the feet"and end up blasting their right side as a result of "chain reaction".

Azinger repeated the comment several times during the tournament,guess he was a hitter.The same guy, incidentally,once said of Tigers swing, "look how his hips generate the clubhead speed"

Hardly" all right side" !
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:05 AM
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I for one find it very difficult swinging with my "right side".I could name any number of players who clearly start their downswing "from the feet"and end up blasting their right side as a result of "chain reaction".

Azinger repeated the comment several times during the tournament,guess he was a hitter.The same guy, incidentally,once said of Tigers swing, "look how his hips generate the clubhead speed"

Hardly" all right side" !
Why are Hips ever mentioned in a golfswing analysis ? I don't see the relevance at all since they are 2 joints that do nothing unless moved by something else.
BTW Hula Hula is done by using your feet
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:57 PM
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Why are Hips ever mentioned in a golfswing analysis ? I don't see the relevance at all since they are 2 joints that do nothing unless moved by something else.
BTW Hula Hula is done by using your feet
Yes and No. Yes, the golf stroke starts from the bottom up and the feet (platforms) then Knees (anchors) start the down stroke but the Hip Motion via a Hip Action is very relevant. Hula Hula is an INDEPENDENT yet coordinated movement of the Hips and Shoulders- its key objective is the maintain a center head and keep the geometric circle as true as possible. Swaylessness. There is a much that the hips do after the feet start the downstroke. If there wasn’t, our footjoys would be gripping the club. All motion is connected so it is also safe to say the feet move the shoulders and the hands. But NO, because much occurs between actions.
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Old 07-25-2008, 05:14 PM
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Turning the hips
Azinger studied under John Redman. He teaches a turn in the barrel swing with the hips. This swing you can clearly see in Bobby Jones swing. In addition the club is to be swinging as defined by Ernest Jones. This is a 100% swinging action. Before I had my physical issues I found it to be a effective method to swing the club. I could think turn hips and have no problem doing that. I did not concern myself with the feet and the knees to make this move even though they did move.

I believe what Azinger was trying to say was you do have 2 hips and the right hip is the trailing hip and it is turning as well so that results in the right side of the body being used.

As for the finish swivel since Redman basically taught a strong grip he prefered a angled hinge to avoid hooks and have a preference for a fade pattern. Many of the strong grip swingers do this Couples etc.

Hope this helps.

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Old 07-25-2008, 05:32 PM
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I wonder if Azinger's left hand lays that way naturally (and is therefore a correct grip for him, I think) or he does it by choice?
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:43 PM
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As per my redman post that is how Redman teaches the grip. Hang your left arm relaxed and grip the club without any forearm rotation in either direction.

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I wonder if Azinger's left hand lays that way naturally (and is therefore a correct grip for him, I think) or he does it by choice?
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