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Old 08-15-2008, 10:33 AM
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Yesterday, Yoda shared with me his conversation with Homer on this subject. I'll let him give the first hand account. But, I'm confident that Homer was of the same opinion.

Yoda leaves today for the Barclays, so I'm not sure when he'll get to a computer.
so if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately and the cesar is proven correct on kinetic chain snap would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:18 PM
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so if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately and the cesar is proven correct on kinetic chain snap would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?
"if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately" is your first leap of faith. Additionally, you're not including one of the most important aspects of the testing...reading the data!!!!! Even the great people at TPI admit that they can't tell you when muscles are firing or what muscles are firing. I've also heard all the hyperbole from the self-proclaimed geniuses that don't visit this site, but they still want you to take them seriously. Conclusions from the data are often reached without logical reasoning and without considering the (Newtonian) physics found in Chapter 2:

"Force and Motion Vectors must comply with Newton’s first three laws;
The Law of Inertia: Newton’s First Law. There is no change in the motion of a body unless a resultant force is acting upon it.
Force and Acceleration: Newton’s Second Law. Whenever a net (unbalanced) force acts on a body, it produces an acceleration in the direction of the force, an acceleration that is directly proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass of the body.
Reacting Forces: Newton’s Third Law. For every acting force there is a reacting force that is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction."


"would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?" Here you are questioning my ability to reason. Firstly, I base my teaching on the laws of geometry and physics. Secondly, I use the book (TGM), Lynn, Homer's audio tapes, and other scientific studies as reference materials.

So, am I the more reasonable person for having the cornerstones of my teaching being laws of force and motion?

Or, would it be more reasonable for me to blindly follow a talking head with data in his hand?

I never believe anything because someone says that it's so. I've heard plenty of if-then statements that don't make sense, even though there was "supporting" data.

P.S. It's always wise to check the sights on your pistol before firing.
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Old 08-15-2008, 08:30 PM
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I understand that say our body. the knees , hips and shoulder travel twice as much as the other . So at the top of the swing, the knees is 22.5*, hip 45* and shoulder 90* as a guideline.

My question is

Would these speed and angle component be accelerating at the same time, decelerating at the same time? Or they follow a certain sequence?

I have no 3D data or anything.. but I think they are the later.

2m3 and pivot lag , are I know very important.

2nd part of the question.

What if we intentionally aim to make the speed of the knees or hip go and go and no brakes throughout the swing.
Will there be problems caused by this?..
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Old 08-15-2008, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post
"if 3-d machines and testing is done accurately" is your first leap of faith. Additionally, you're not including one of the most important aspects of the testing...reading the data!!!!! Even the great people at TPI admit that they can't tell you when muscles are firing or what muscles are firing. I've also heard all the hyperbole from the self-proclaimed geniuses that don't visit this site, but they still want you to take them seriously. Conclusions from the data are often reached without logical reasoning and without considering the (Newtonian) physics found in Chapter 2:

"Force and Motion Vectors must comply with Newton’s first three laws;
The Law of Inertia: Newton’s First Law. There is no change in the motion of a body unless a resultant force is acting upon it.
Force and Acceleration: Newton’s Second Law. Whenever a net (unbalanced) force acts on a body, it produces an acceleration in the direction of the force, an acceleration that is directly proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass of the body.
Reacting Forces: Newton’s Third Law. For every acting force there is a reacting force that is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction."


"would you still believe homer or would you believe cesar?" Here you are questioning my ability to reason. Firstly, I base my teaching on the laws of geometry and physics. Secondly, I use the book (TGM), Lynn, Homer's audio tapes, and other scientific studies as reference materials.

So, am I the more reasonable person for having the cornerstones of my teaching being laws of force and motion?

Or, would it be more reasonable for me to blindly follow a talking head with data in his hand?

I never believe anything because someone says that it's so. I've heard plenty of if-then statements that don't make sense, even though there was "supporting" data.

P.S. It's always wise to check the sights on your pistol before firing.
Chill pills seem a prerequisite with tgm. Just asked a basic question since cesar is shouting from the rooftops that anyone who does not believe him is stuck in the dark ages.
Frankly i dont even care about the kinetic chain or tpi data or who is correct and the history of mankind shows how wrong most scientists are and the future will do the same

p.s i check my pistol daily and dont need any snake oil either
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Old 08-16-2008, 11:23 AM
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Chill pills seem a prerequisite with tgm. Just asked a basic question since cesar is shouting from the rooftops that anyone who does not believe him is stuck in the dark ages.
Frankly i dont even care about the kinetic chain or tpi data or who is correct and the history of mankind shows how wrong most scientists are and the future will do the same

p.s i check my pistol daily and dont need any snake oil either
It's hard to take your original question any other way. You were more or less asking if I would believe Homer if he said the sky was falling. If there's another way to take the question, I'd like to hear it.

Additionally, it's not my job to cure someone with an inferiority complex. I can pray for him, but I can't change him. He can shout and condemn as much as he'd like, if he thinks it will bring him peace.

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Old 08-16-2008, 11:45 AM
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It's hard to take your original question any other way. You were more or less asking if I would believe Homer if he said the sky was falling. If there's another way to take the question, I'd like to hear it.

Additionally, it's not my job to cure someone with an inferiority complex. I can pray for him, but I can't change him. He can shout and condemn as much as he'd like, if he thinks it will bring him peace.

Mission statement for LynnBlakeGolf:
You want to play better golf - now! - and we're here to help you do it! This is an attitude of servanthood, which has manifested itself in great accomplishments from Brian Gay, John Riegger, Jay Williamson, Greg Kraft, Scott Dunlap, Jeff Hull, etc. If these are the Dark Ages, I'm staying.

It's not a mission statement that craves personal attention and adoration.
right no problem with me since im impartial when it comes to the bickering within the tgm fraternity but it is difficult i imagine for people to sort out exactly what is the meaning of different aspects of the yellow book when so many interpretations from the experts etc etc
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:29 PM
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right no problem with me since im impartial when it comes to the bickering within the tgm fraternity but it is difficult i imagine for people to sort out exactly what is the meaning of different aspects of the yellow book when so many interpretations from the experts etc etc
I agree. I tried for years to understand TGM. Lynn understood it like no G.S.E.D. that I'd ever met, and he was kind enough to help me.
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and he was kind enough to help me.
That would be "help US" .
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