Jeff,
Before I briefly answer your question, let me say I really don't have a lot of desire to hash through golfing machine information in detail. Therefore, while you may have many, many additional questions- if so- someone else can jump in and answer them. 1) I certainly wouldn't want to ignore future questions without some explanation and 2) right arm swingers are few and far between and to me appear to be compensated procedures- so it's a very small world and although good to know the essential characteristics - not one to spend a lot of time on, in my opinion.
If you are a swinger you pull the club.
A right arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the right arm or musculature that supports the right arm acceleration.
A left arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the left arm or musculature that supports the left arm acceleration.
(Not that there would be a full body feel and many things pulling- but that would be the general distinction between the two. It certainly wouldn't mean that you would only feel the left arm swing ala Leslie King or only feel the right arm swinging.)
Now, If you are pulling with the right arm- then inherit in that action is that the "center" of the swing moves to the right elbow according to Homer Kelley (see 10-3-K 6th edition). Imagine the shaft primarily rotating around or oriented to the right elbow due to the physics involved. If pulling with the left - the "center" of rotaton is the left shoulder. Essentially imagine that the shaft rotates around the left hand and the left shoulder.
So for the golfer on the video- A) it's obvious to me that he is pulling i.e. swinging versus hitting and B) notice the "hang back" or the center of rotation around the right elbow. When I say "hang back" - I really mean that the right arm swing creates certain pivot and body motions that appear different than a "normal" left arm swinger- which kind of highlights the effects of the method through the resulting body motion. Less posting up on the left side etc.
It's not that he should become one so much, but more that he is a right arm swinger and he should "maybe" understand it so that he can be aware of his procedure so that he can be consistent with it and understand the pattern- what works with it and what works against it.
Mike,
That's just one guy swinging with his right arm (how can you base your conclusions on the swinging action of one golfer)...Tomasello doesn't look like that when he swings with his right arm, and I don't either. Mark Evershed doesn't...Erie Els doesn't....Retief Goosen doesn't.....David Love III doesn't.
That's just one guy swinging with his right arm (how can you base your conclusions on the swinging action of one golfer)...Tomasello doesn't look like that when he swings with his right arm . . .
DG,
Aside from the fact that Mike O never referenced the late Tommy (Tomasello) in his post, I thought we had concluded a couple of years ago that Tommy was not a Right Arm Swinger. Nor was he a Hitter. Instead -- however explained -- he was a (Left Arm) Swinger integrating a sound Pivot with the Magic of the Right Forearm / Elbow Action.
Aside from the fact that Mike O never referenced the late Tommy (Tomasello) in his post, I thought we had concluded a year or so ago that Tommy was not a Right Arm Swinger. Nor was he a Hitter. Instead -- however explained -- he was a (Left Arm) Swinger integrating a sound Pivot with the Magic of the Right Forearm / Elbow Action.
Little Green Man,
Tommy did it all. Right arm swinging per 10-20-B, Right Shoulder Swinging per 10-20-C, Right and Left Arm Swinging per 10-20-D (the swinging procedure you're refering to above) and Left Wrist Swinging per 10-20-E.
On the driving range of the Deer Track resort, Tommy taught me right arm swinging (I have that instruction on audio tape), which I believe would have led to Right Arm and Left Arm swinging if I would have spent more time with Mr. Tomasello (I believe Tommy wanted me to understand and execute the magic of the right forearm before moving on and to include the left forearm for a full power stroke per Chapter 5 of the video series and per 12-5-3 and 10-3-D of the Seventh Editon of TGM...makes sense). I believe that's why Tommy handed me the Australia Video tape (which is now the Chapter series on this site) as I left his studio on Friday 10/22/93. In the end, I believe personally, Tommy favored the Right Forearm Left Forearm procedure per 10-20-D in his own playing as seen on the Australia/Chapter video series. The Right Forearm and Left Forearm swing includes the same Magic of the Right Forearm action as utilized in the 10-20-B Right Arm procedure (a la the right arm swing)....so you could say it's a derivative of right arm swinging. It's all swinging (Longitudinal Acceleration, which means Lengthwise Acceleration).
On the driving range, I have experimented with all of the procedures and I favor the Right Forearm Left Forearm procedure Tommy used per 10-20-D for Swinging.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-14-2008 at 08:31 AM.
Tommy did it all. Right arm swinging per 10-20-B, Right Shoulder Swinging per 10-20-C, Right and Left Arm Swinging per 10-20-D (the swinging procedure you're refering to above) and Left Wrist Swinging per 10-20-E.
Well . . .
There you go:
Tommy was The Man!
Now, despite your inappropriate beating of the Tom Tom(asello) and the obvious errors in your quote above . . .
Now, despite your inappropriate beating of the Tom Tom(asello) and the obvious errors in your quote above . . .
Could we get back to the subject of this thread?
DG,
10-20 Trigger types don't define the type of swinger you are but as I've said before if you're going to run 100% with Tommy then you'll have some issues as far as the "book" goes - in my opinion.
As I've said before - that doesn't or shouldn't discount the fact that Tommy was a great personality, a devoted AI for Homer and a great guy I'm sure! I'm sure with his close contact with Homer and his passion for the Machine - he was a great instructor, friend, etc. for you and many others- including Lynn.
Now, if you were going to pick one person after Homer's passing that had the knowledge of the book and the passion to spread it - then no one touches Lynn Blake in that category! At the time that Lynn re-entered the scene in 2005? He was - in my opinion - the ONLY AI (I know he's not an "official" AI now) to sufficiently understand and fully grasp the concepts that Homer Kelley outlined in his book. Therefore, if he ever says something that doesn't match with your understanding - then I'd listen real carefully.
However, that's why these forums are always interesting because everyone has their own opinion!
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DG,
10-20 Trigger types don't define the type of swinger you are but as I've said before if you're going to run 100% with Tommy then you'll have some issues as far as the "book" goes - in my opinion.
As I've said before - that doesn't or shouldn't discount the fact that Tommy was a great personality, a devoted AI for Homer and a great guy I'm sure! I'm sure with his close contact with Homer and his passion for the Machine - he was a great instructor, friend, etc. for you and many others- including Lynn.
Now, if you were going to pick one person after Homer's passing that had the knowledge of the book and the passion to spread it - then no one touches Lynn Blake in that category! At the time that Lynn re-entered the scene in 2005? He was - in my opinion - the ONLY AI (I know he's not an "official" AI now) to sufficiently understand and fully grasp the concepts that Homer Kelley outlined in his book. Therefore, if he ever says something that doesn't match with your understanding - then I'd listen real carefully.
However, that's why these forums are always interesting because everyone has their own opinion!
Don't agree....based on my experience with personally studying with Tommy....listening to my audio cassettes of my instruction. I really don't believe for a second that Tom Tomasello put his own spin on TGM.
You wrote-: "Right Arm Swinging supplies more power than left arm swinging. That coming out of the mouth of one Homer Kelley...I agree."
Where did HK make that statement? In that video, HK only stated that the particular golfer may do better with right arm swinging. He didn't state as a generic rule that right arm swinging would supply more power than left arm swinging.
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