DG - you wrote-: "Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder."
Under what conditions does the right arm propel the left arm lever assemblies? Are you describing a swing variant where the right arm releases PA#4 - as an alternative to a pivot-driven release of PA#4 (in HK's words "the left arm is blasted off the chest wall when the pivot subsides")? Or, are you describing a swing action where the pivot-drive releases PA#4 but the right arm supplies supplementary power to the swing by an active release of PA#1 at a certain time point during the downswing?
DG - you wrote-: "Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder."
Under what conditions does the right arm propel the left arm lever assemblies? Are you describing a swing variant where the right arm releases PA#4 - as an alternative to a pivot-driven release of PA#4 (in HK's words "the left arm is blasted off the chest wall when the pivot subsides")? Or, are you describing a swing action where the pivot-drive releases PA#4 but the right arm supplies supplementary power to the swing by an active release of PA#1 at a certain time point during the downswing?
Jeff.
Jeff,
Those comments are coming from HK...not me. I would suggest you watch Tomasello's "Letter series #2 video" and Tommy will give a visual demonstration of the release.
The swinging left arm, right arm role/relationship is the most confusing aspect of TGM IMO. We need a way of explaining these relationships in easy to understand terms so that any idiot can understand it (ahem, that includes me ) . The more clearly we state it, the less uncertainty, the less uncertainty the less room for criticism of TGM as our audience expands.
It seems clear to me that he is using a triple barel swinging action - 1:2:3.
He states that he throws the right arm from the top in a push action stroke. That represents an active release of PA#1. He states that the body must be reactive to the right arm throw action and follow the throw action (and not lead the throw action) - see comments at 8:00 minutes, 9:07 minutes and 11;20 minutes. That means that he does not use a pivot-diven stroke action to induce release of PA#4. The left arm is propelled forward by the right arm throw action and its push force at pressure point #1. Note that he uses a start up swivel action of the left hand, which is only compatible with swinging (and not hitting where the clubface continuously faces the ball druing the takeaway). Then his right arm throw action induces a passive release of PA#2 via centrifugal action (rather than an axehandle technique of radial force being applied against pressure point #3).
Do you agree with my description - which is a triple barrel right arm swinging action and not a four barrel swinging action?
mb6606
I thought that the "magic of the right forearm" refers to its directional qualities of getting the clubshaft to remain on-plane, which can occur in a triple barrel 4:2:3 swinging action (which doesn't involve active right elbow straightening). Where does it state in TGM that it only applies to an active push release of PA#1?
Ouch, my brain hurts. I've been trying to figure 4-Barrel out since I got into the book and don't know. One summer I hit the ball 50 yards farther than ever (300-325 yard carries), I don't know how, but my forearms would hit each other due to a lot of #3. Haven't been able to find that since, maybe just maybe, I had the elusive 4-barrel.
Ouch, my brain hurts. I've been trying to figure 4-Barrel out since I got into the book and don't know. One summer I hit the ball 50 yards farther than ever (300-325 yard carries), I don't know how, but my forearms would hit each other due to a lot of #3. Haven't been able to find that since, maybe just maybe, I had the elusive 4-barrel.
Ely,
Bucket and I are down here at the Tavern drinking- feel free to join us. Bucket's reading the book looking for 4 barrel information I'm just drinking and getting ready to hang bucket! Come down and watch - should be fun!
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It seems clear to me that he is using a triple barrel swinging action - 1:2:3.
Then his right arm throw action induces a passive release of PA#2 via centrifugal action (rather than an axehandle technique of radial force being applied against pressure point #3).
Do you agree with my description - which is a triple barrel right arm swinging action and not a four barrel swinging action?
[Introductory Note: This post discusses the Swinger’s Triple Barrel Stroke Combination and the erroneous notion that Release Triggers constitute Power Accumulators. In no way am I addressing what Tom Tomasello did in his swing or what he said he did (it varies from video to video and even in the same video). Nor am I concerned with the opinions of others regarding what he did or said he did. I have written extensively on this subject in the past, and I encourage all those interested to search my archived posts. ]
The Hitting Stroke involves Muscular Acceleration through Impact whereby the Lever Assemblies are Pushed via Right Triceps / Elbow Thrust (6-C-0 #1). In contrast, the Swinging Stroke involves Centrifugal Acceleration whereby the Clubhead is Pulled toward its In-Line condition by Centrifugal Force (6-C-0 #4).
All Stroke Patterns – both Hitting and Swinging – require both a Power Accumulator Combination (Component #4) and a Release Trigger (Component #20). By definition, the #1 Power Accumulator (Right Arm Thrust) is restricted to a Hitting Stroke (6-B-1-0). Therefore, the 1-2-3 Triple Barrel Accumulator Combination is limited to Hitters. Similarly, the 2-3-4 Variation is limited to Swingers.
The Hitter’s Basic Pattern (Drive Loading / 12-1-0) lists the Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) as the Release Trigger Variation. The Swinger’s Basic Pattern (Drag Loading / 12-2-0) lists the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E). Normally, these Variations are restricted to their respective Patterns because each is the natural byproduct of the Thrust produced by the Stroke itself. However, neither option defines its Pattern nor is its use mandatory.
Therefore, in a Swinging Motion (Right Arm or Left), the Centrifugal Throwout Release of the Left Wrist may be Triggered by the Right Arm. Nevertheless, as a Power Source, again by definition, the #1 Power Accumulator is passive.
Summarizing, Right Arm Throw (Release Trigger) and Right Arm Power (Stroke Variation) are not the same thing.
Ely,
Bucket and I are down here at the Tavern drinking- feel free to join us. Bucket's reading the book looking for 4 barrel information I'm just drinking and getting ready to hang bucket! Come down and watch - should be fun!
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DG - you wrote-: "Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder."
Under what conditions does the right arm propel the left arm lever assemblies? Are you describing a swing variant where the right arm releases PA#4 - as an alternative to a pivot-driven release of PA#4 (in HK's words "the left arm is blasted off the chest wall when the pivot subsides")? Or, are you describing a swing action where the pivot-drive releases PA#4 but the right arm supplies supplementary power to the swing by an active release of PA#1 at a certain time point during the downswing?
Jeff.
How do you have, "magic of the right forearm", and not actively use the right arm?
) . The more clearly we state it, the less uncertainty, the less uncertainty the less room for criticism of TGM as our audience expands.
Bucket's reading the book looking for 4 barrel information 
I'm just drinking and getting ready to hang bucket! Come down and watch - should be fun!
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