I don't know if Homer could see the future of golf equipment and golf courses. We've played courses in our Section events as long as 7800 yards. I know that the equipment has changed dramatically, but 6800 yards was long at one time. In our world, having distance is a great asset. I've got a course within miles of my house that's close to 8000 yards. There are three fairways that are unreachable, with a north-easterly wind. It's awesome for a masochist like me. I'd use six barrels if I had them.
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Great post in my opinion. When reading Mr. Kelley's thoughts on using 4 barrels I thought about whether he would have changed his mind if he saw today's equipment. It requires so much less precision in ball striking, and as Mr. YodasLuke said, power is far more important these days...
Kevin
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Great post in my opinion. When reading Mr. Kelley's thoughts on using 4 barrels I thought about whether he would have changed his mind if he saw today's equipment. It requires so much less precision in ball striking, and as Mr. YodasLuke said, power is far more important these days...
Kevin,
There is no reason to forego the 4-Barrel Stroke. Just use the Right Arm Throw Trigger (10-20-B) and see what you get.
Use Accumulator Combination 1-2-3 (think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact). Combine this Action with a Standard Pivot (10-12-A), and let the Right Shoulder take care of itself (any Active participation will qualify as #4). Also, experiment with the Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) and note any difference in trajectory.
There is no reason to forego the 4-Barrel Stroke. Just use the Right Arm Throw Trigger (10-20-B) and see what you get.
Use Accumulator Combination 1-2-3 (think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact). Combine this Action with a Standard Pivot (10-12-A), and let the Right Shoulder take care of itself (any Active participation will qualify as #4). Also, experiment with the Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) and note any difference in trajectory.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised!
Yoda,
Great information, I can't wait to give it a whirl. I really appreciate the ideas!
Kevin
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Great information, I can't wait to give it a whirl. I really appreciate the ideas!
I second Kevin on that.
I can Swing or Hit pretty well now, but I always felt that Swinging was easy but too "gentle" and that Hitting was very structured and accurate but lacking rotary power.
Yoda, I'm very happy you confirm that 4 barrel could be done that way:
I was never sure of that and therefore restrained myself not to do it, too afraid to put some "bad moves" into my computer!
But now, I know I can unleash the beast!
Yeepee, great stuff, thanks!
Yoda - I am puzzled by post #34 and I wonder if I am misunderstanding something.
You seem to be offering advice on how to execute a four-barrel hitting action, and you stated-: "There is no reason to forego the 4-Barrel Stroke. Just use the Right Arm Throw Trigger (10-20-B) and see what you get."
I though that the Right Arm Throw Trigger is used to trigger the release of PA#1, which means that it should pertain to a triple barrel hitting action as well as a four-barrel hitting action. I thought that an "active right shoulder thrust downplane" differentiated a four-barrel hitter's action from a triple barrel hitter's action, and I cannot understand why a hitter should concentrate on a right arm throw trigger to turn a triple barrel into a four-barrel hitter's action.
I also don't understand why a hitter should experiment with a non-automatic random release. What's the purpose? I thought that a hitter should optimally delay his PA#1 release until his hands pass an imaginary line between his eyes and the ball.
Yoda - I am puzzled by post #34 and I wonder if I am misunderstanding something.
You seem to be offering advice on how to execute a four-barrel hitting action, and you stated-: "There is no reason to forego the 4-Barrel Stroke. Just use the Right Arm Throw Trigger (10-20-B) and see what you get."
I though that the Right Arm Throw Trigger is used to trigger the release of PA#1, which means that it should pertain to a triple barrel hitting action as well as a four-barrel hitting action. I thought that an "active right shoulder thrust downplane" differentiated a four-barrel hitter's action from a triple barrel hitter's action, and I cannot understand why a hitter should concentrate on a right arm throw trigger to turn a triple barrel into a four-barrel hitter's action.
I also don't understand why a hitter should experiment with a non-automatic random release. What's the purpose? I thought that a hitter should optimally delay his PA#1 release until his hands pass an imaginary line between his eyes and the ball.
As I've written before in these pages, the first three editions of TGM were, in Homer Kelley's own words, ". . . a Right Arm approach to the whole game" (1-F). And the evidence of that truth is contained in the Sample Stroke Patterns incorporated into those editions. The later editions removed that bias, introduced the Basic Stroke Patterns of 12-1-0 and 12-2-0, and encouraged students to come to their own conclusions. For the record, Homer himself was an avowed "hitting aficionado".
Now, Jeff, to your post. It is a wonderful thing to understand, for example, the inner workings of an automobile's drive train, transmission and carburetor. But, sometimes, for those interested only in driving the car -- not building or repairing it -- it is enough to be told to "step on the gas pedal and steer".
This was one of those times.
Before you indulge your admirable intellectual curiosity further, please just do the simple things I've advised.
As I've written before in these pages, the first three editions of TGM were, in Homer Kelley's own words, ". . . a Right Arm approach to the whole game" (1-F). And the evidence of that truth is contained in the Sample Stroke Patterns incorporated into those editions. The later editions removed that bias, introduced the Basic Stroke Patterns of 12-1-0 and 12-2-0, and encouraged students to come to their own conclusions. For the record, Homer himself was an avowed "hitting aficionado".
Now, Jeff, to your post. It is a wonderful thing to understand, for example, the inner workings of an automobile's drive train, transmission and carburetor. But, sometimes, for those interested only in driving the car -- not building or repairing it -- it is enough to be told to "step on the gas pedal and steer".
This was one of those times.
Before you indulge your admirable intellectual curiosity further, please just do the simple things I've advised.
Use Accumulator Combination 1-2-3 (think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact). Combine this Action with a Standard Pivot (10-12-A), and let the Right Shoulder take care of itself (any Active participation will qualify as #4). Also, experiment with the Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) and note any difference in trajectory.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised!
Pleasantly surprised indeed!
Yoda, I managed to do as you advised, and it worked nicely .
As expected there is a real gain in power: It produces the same distance as with Swinging out of my shoes with a ton of lag pressure in it BUT with less energy.
This gives a feel of control. Maybe because you don't leave the shot to centrifugal force alone.
Speaking of control, I played with the Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B): If I delay the release very late in the shot, I end up with a huge amount of thrust! -> even more power and a violent sound of compression on the ball! Unbelievable!
I believe it happens because by delaying the release very late, the right arm stays loaded, the right shoulder is low and there is a lot of right arm to drive the ball to china!
So, if the shot requires a lot of thrust, delay the right arm throw to the maximum and for a softer shot, trigger the right arm throw earlier.
I may add that it is also very important to use ACC#4 with a slow start down to prevent some sort of throwaway. It may be related to what Yoda said: think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact.
A short backswing is also better (Notice that the last 2 points are Hitter's caracteristics).
However I wonder what kind of trajectory a 4 barrel stroke facilitates (draw/fade)?
I tend to think that it is a angled hinge, thanks to the right arm thrust BUT I often got a slight draw...(even with wedges!) maybe centrifugal force has something to do with that?
I may add that it is also very important to use ACC#4 with a slow start down to prevent some sort of throwaway. It may be related to what Yoda said: think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact.
A short backswing is also better (Notice that the last 2 points are Hitter's caracteristics).
"6-H-0 IMPERATIVES You can’t have Educated Hands unless you know what to teach them. The following curriculum is imperative.
E. Associate the following with “Hitting” (10-19-A). See 7-19.
1. Angled Hinging (7-10)
2. Simultaneous Release (4-D-0)
3. Grip Rotation (7-2)
4. Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2)
5. Active Right Elbow (7-20)
6. Fixed Lag Pressure Point (“10-11-0-3”)
7. Radial Acceleration (10-19-A)
8. Axe Handle Technique (6-F)
9. Slow Start Down (6-B-1)
10. Angle of Approach (2-J-3)"
I know this is sixth edition text, but I like the fact that it puts the proper emPHAsis on the right sylLAbles.
The Hitter must (imperative) have a slow Start Down. I've said many times that it feels, to me, like a crescendo. It starts softly and gets louder. The ability to accelerate is paramount. Over-acceleration is death.
"10-19-A DRIVE LOADING Drive Loading is the “Axe Handle” technique of the “Hitter” – an out-and-out Right Arm Thrust against Clubhead Lag (Angular Inertia) striving to accelerate (radially) a Pre-stressed (Bent) Clubhshaft, from a slow Start Down through Impact. Per 7-19-1. See 2-N.
All Short Shots can be short, strong Strokes, eliminating all unnecessary motion by using only the one Accumulator (until greater distance is needed). But always –PUSH a lagging Clubhead through Impact.
Clubhead Throwaway here is due usually to over-acceleration. Use shorter Strokes and/or lower Thrust. The Stroke can be shortened per 10-15-B or by taking advantage of the fact that the Backstroke will stop when the Right Elbow becomes fully bent."
If you'd like a little 4 Barrel action, Drag a little in Start Down. But, start it slowly.
"6-H-0 IMPERATIVES You can’t have Educated Hands unless you know what to teach them. The following curriculum is imperative.
E. Associate the following with “Hitting” (10-19-A). See 7-19.
1. Angled Hinging (7-10)
2. Simultaneous Release (4-D-0)
3. Grip Rotation (7-2)
4. Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2)
5. Active Right Elbow (7-20)
6. Fixed Lag Pressure Point (“10-11-0-3”)
7. Radial Acceleration (10-19-A)
8. Axe Handle Technique (6-F)
9. Slow Start Down (6-B-1)
10. Angle of Approach (2-J-3)"
I know this is sixth edition text, but I like the fact that it puts the proper emPHAsis on the right sylLAbles.
The Hitter must (imperative) have a slow Start Down. I've said many times that it feels, to me, like a crescendo. It starts softly and gets louder. The ability to accelerate is paramount. Over-acceleration is death.
"10-19-A DRIVE LOADING Drive Loading is the “Axe Handle” technique of the “Hitter” – an out-and-out Right Arm Thrust against Clubhead Lag (Angular Inertia) striving to accelerate (radially) a Pre-stressed (Bent) Clubhshaft, from a slow Start Down through Impact. Per 7-19-1. See 2-N.
All Short Shots can be short, strong Strokes, eliminating all unnecessary motion by using only the one Accumulator (until greater distance is needed). But always –PUSH a lagging Clubhead through Impact.
Clubhead Throwaway here is due usually to over-acceleration. Use shorter Strokes and/or lower Thrust. The Stroke can be shortened per 10-15-B or by taking advantage of the fact that the Backstroke will stop when the Right Elbow becomes fully bent."
If you'd like a little 4 Barrel action, Drag a little in Start Down. But, start it slowly.
Very cool stuff! I'm at work, I wish I had my book with me. I can't wait to get home and study this curriculum!
Thank You,
Kevin
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