You can have anybody on the site for a partner. I'll take Doyle and play you for whatever you want, for as many days as you want, as long as it is tight off the tee. I'll just ride in the cart and cheer my man on. Senior majors for ........
I'll take Mike O . . . . if you make sure that they leave the rakes around the bunkers . . . we'll just play y'all once and see how you feel about the bet after that. See you Sat. at 8. Mike usually brings "homemade" breakfast too. His wife Greg or whatever his/her name is now will want to ride in the cart too . . . hope he want be a problem.
I agree that the primary need is to get the hands down-and-out on the plane whatever the method of releasing PA#4.
It is very interesting that the golf style that keeps the left arm across the chest (keeping PA#4 loaded) for the longest time is the Hardy OPS. However, the Hardy OPS golfer manages to keep the clubshaft on-plane during the time period that PA#4 remains loaded because of the bent-over posture and their rotary pivot style where the upper and lower torso turn as a single unit.
OBLeft
Thanks for he advice. I have just received the Alignment Golf DVDs (which I haven't yet viewed) and I will look into the MacDonald drills.
I now see your quest for golf knowledge in a different light. If you are seeking an improved action given your physical limitations then you Sir are a practical seeker like the rest of us golf nut bars.
Here is a drill that I love but please exercise extreme caution given your back issues.
-with a 9 iron
-no ball
-from fix and with EA turned on
-turn right hip back (pre setting a cleared right hip for the back AND the thru)
-slide your hips several inches targetwards until you knee is approx over your left foot. (your weight is now preset to the left and your head is still centered). In a mirror you will appear very Hogan like.
-with light lag pressure take an easy 3/4 swing (Which is all one ever really needs assuming you get to right shoulder high, top). Hold your right hip back in startdown and release.
If this tweaks your back a little then make sure you allow for the release of your right hip, letting the body pull it around post impact. If it hurts a lot abandon the drill and axis tilt in favour of circle path albeit with a cleared right hip.
Its a strange feeling at first, with the right hip held back. You will notice that your divots are straight however! Yes sir.
If you are able to this without hurting your back try a few shots with easy lag pressure. The contact is addictive. I fell so much in love with this drill that I tried to play a round with it. My back was a mess after 9 holes and I had to abandon it, but the drill remains as my primary anti cut shot therapy. A great stance to assume when doing start down waggles too.
While the preset drill can be harmful if over done, I believe that with shorter shots and easy lag pressure, its an excellent way to ingrain these alignments for use in a non harmful more dynamic full swing.
I no longer see the swing as being as rotational as I once did. Id be interested to know how this works for you.
I agree that the primary need is to get the hands down-and-out on the plane whatever the method of releasing PA#4.
It is very interesting that the golf style that keeps the left arm across the chest (keeping PA#4 loaded) for the longest time is the Hardy OPS. However, the Hardy OPS golfer manages to keep the clubshaft on-plane during the time period that PA#4 remains loaded because of the bent-over posture and their rotary pivot style where the upper and lower torso turn as a single unit.
OBLeft
Thanks for he advice. I have just received the Alignment Golf DVDs (which I haven't yet viewed) and I will look into the MacDonald drills.
Jeff.
Jeff . . . . Don't know much about Hardy's stuff . . . . but I would submit that this guy IS releasing #4 or at least it looks that way to me.
I think the holding on to #4 the longest pattern is the one that a certain someone says . . . . have your elbow seek your navel and have your head bob backwards as a result of having to get so much axis tilt to actually get to the ball . . .and then rotate the face to the ground and call it "hinging" or maintaining a flat left wrist. It is the one that raped me . . .
When exactly is # 4 out of ammo? Another plea for a centered head. Does a sway interfere with a players ability to swing the left arm across the chest?
When exactly is # 4 out of ammo? Another plea for a centered head. Does a sway interfere with a players ability to swing the left arm across the chest?
Jethro . . . See the pic 6-B-4-0 #2 . . . . it's basically spent when it's in line with the shoulder joint . . . 90 degrees . . . . so it's loaded then as the arm swings down it is releasing and released at 90.
I'd say that physical limitations and plane angle or just plain bad concepts (such as "I have to have width in my backswing") limit the left arm going across the chest. Not sure swaying would on the backstroke . . . HOWEVER I think HOLDING ON TO #4 can certainly result in Bobs and or Sways or uncocked right wrists because of a radius disruption or plane shift resulting from the hands being pulled under or over plane . . . you gotta figure out how to get the clubhead on the ball via some sort of compensation . . .
PA#4 is releasing in that last image. I merely wanted to state that Hardy OPS golfers turn very fast in the early downswing and maintain a powerful torso rotation throughout the downswing. That means that any upper torso deceleration will be later - compared to a standard active pivot action swing - and therefore PA#4 release will delayed. However, the clubshaft will still be on plane during the time period that PA#4 is unreleased - because of the golfers bent-over posture and arm release angle.
PA#4 is releasing in that last image. I merely wanted to state that Hardy OPS golfers turn very fast in the early downswing and maintain a powerful torso rotation throughout the downswing. That means that any upper torso deceleration will be later - compared to a standard active pivot action swing - and therefore PA#4 release will delayed. However, the clubshaft will still be on plane during the time period that PA#4 is unreleased - because of the golfers bent-over posture and arm release angle.
Jeff.
Jeff . . . much of this has to do with plane angle and how "deep" the hands go (which is also related to plane angle) . . . . Inorder for the pivot and hands to comply to the "flatter" plane angle and "deeper" hands . . . the pivot can be more "rotary" . . . because there is simply more out in that plane . . . .
However regardless of the plane angle there has to be some hip slide and releasing of #4 to comply with the plane . . . the steeper the plane the more slidy and faster #4 has to go just due to where the hands are in space relative to the ball. Spin to quick on a steep plane and you shatter Mr. Hogan's pane all to pieces. That being said . . . . Mr. Hogan released #4 FAST and went WAAAAAY forward with the hips . . . but he did pretty much whatever he wanted to do.
However regardless of the plane angle there has to be some hip slide and releasing of #4 to comply with the plane. Spin to quick on a steep plane and you shatter Mr. Hogan's pane all to pieces.
Agreed. Like Totally.
Prior to TGM the Judge and I travelled to Florida to get some One Plane lessons. The pro there was not entirely Hardy based so I dont know how relative this is but I can tell you that afterwards I struggled with pulls , divots pointing left of the hole and the odd "s word". The Judge (hope he isnt reading this) suffered from the elbow saw take away (no EA) and an early rotation off his back foot in transition. Too much rotation , too early, roundhousing.
The teacher in question has one fine, fine swing and is a great guy but I can today see through my TGM eyes that his right hip is cleared, his weight is left and his axis is tilted.
And now, thanks be to Yoda (TBTY), so is mine. Straight Divots just flying down the fairway. Being a Nawthaner and having to replace the things, its making for a lot more walking.
O.B.
Warning: Results may vary. Any reference to axis tilt is in the context of the posters personal preference as implied, weight left and cleared right hip are however implored regardless of users chosen pattern.
I'll take Mike O . . . . if you make sure that they leave the rakes around the bunkers . . . we'll just play y'all once and see how you feel about the bet after that. See you Sat. at 8. Mike usually brings "homemade" breakfast too. His wife Greg or whatever his/her name is now will want to ride in the cart too . . . hope he want be a problem.
See you there!
Notice how Henny went away! Better make sure if he does stop running that he and Allan understand they would need to share breakfast with us
P.S. we better make sure they die by the 17th hole otherwise we'll lose. Bring the tool chest with the hammer, tape, rope and bags- just in case
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